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All of the Many Changes Synod Vatican 2 Made?

Part One

MINOR Roman Catholic Seminaries

Here is one example from a person who attended a MINOR Roman Catholic Seminary between 1965 (this would have been just shortly before Synod Vatican 2 ended) through 1969.  Name not published for obvious reasons.

1965 was three years AFTER Synod Vatican 2 began and just a few months before it ended, not BEFORE Synod Vatican began.

To refresh your memory, Synod Vatican ran from Thursday, October 11, 1962 through Wednesday, December 8, 1965.

Nevertheless, what he writes is of historical value insofar as he is able to give you a first-hand account of what happened in MINOR Roman Catholic Seminaries in general during the very short TRANSITION time from very near to the end of Synod Vatican 2 up to its end, and then what happened after Synod Vatican 2 in MINOR Roman Catholic Seminaries.

Here is the direct quote, unchanged, of what he has written and posted on the internet.

N.B.:  His internet web page does NOT have a copyright notice.

N.B.:  My few notes, for clarification purposes, or for questions concerning the year which the text does not give, are all in [brackets].

Seminary High Schools after Vatican II

THE AUGUST 9, 2007 issue of The Wanderer [Editor’s Note: This Newspaper is a conservative Vatican 2 publication.] contained an article by James K. Fitzpatrick on the demise of seminary high schools after Vatican II.

Seminary high schools, also called “minor seminaries,” once played a major role in fostering priestly vocations. These institutions provided boys who felt inclined towards the priesthood with a spiritual and academic formation appropriate to their age, and prepared them for the higher studies that would come in the later stages of the seminary program.

Seminary high schools were a great success, and before Vatican II most priests started on their road towards ordination in such a school. I myself graduated from one in 1969, and I am forever grateful to God for what I received.

Mr. Fitzpatrick says that up until about 10 or 15 years ago, he was inclined to defend these institutions. An article in The Washington Post (!), however, changed his mind.

“Facts are facts,” Mr. Fitzpatrick says. Not one of his classmates from Cathedral High, a seminary high school in New York, went on to become a priest.

In the late 1960s, he notes, there were 122 high school seminaries in the U.S. with a total enrollment of about 16,000. Now there are just seven with a combined enrollment about 500.

Quigley Preparatory Seminary in Chicago, closed in June [2007?] after 102 years in existence, has seen just one graduate ordained in the past 17 years .

Most men being ordained in U.S. seminaries these days, Mr. Fitzpatrick observes, are older, often in their 30s and 40s.

“What are we to conclude? Is this another unfortunate sign of the materialism and loss of Catholic identity in the modern world? Or is it more a situation where the Church has learned that it is better for young men to be a bit older and with more life experience before they begin their training for the priesthood and religious life.”

Did the graduates of these institutions, Mr. Fitzpatrick asks, go on to become “good priests”?

“The large wave of defections from the religious life in the 1960s and 1970s,” he answers, “included large numbers of religious who were in training from their early teenage years.”

Mr. Fitzpatrick ends his article with an anecdote about a religious brother he admired, but who abandoned his vocation. He then closes with the following sentence:

“He had been living as a member of the order since his early teens, through his high school, college, and young adult years.”
From this, readers are meant to infer that the pre-Vatican II system of seminary high schools was the cause for so many to abandon their vocations.

These comments prompted me to send Mr. Fitzpatrick the following letter [in 2007?]:

* * *

Dear Mr. Fitzpatrick,

In your article on seminary high schools (Wanderer, 9 August 2007), you wonder why these institutions ceased to attract potential young vocations to the priesthood, and you claim that “there is no self-evident answer.”

Well, I can give you one:   Vatican II destroyed the Catholic priesthood.

I studied at a seminary high school in Milwaukee during the years 1965-1969 and I witnessed this from the inside. As the changes in doctrine, discipline and worship began to touch each facet of Church life, I saw good and holy priests whom I admired turn into heretics, time-servers or disheartened apostates from the priestly state.

What idealistic young man would aspire to become part of such a mess?

My minor seminary, De Sales Prep, soon closed its doors, as did my seminary college, St. Francis. The massive new complex that housed both institutions (completed in 1963) was transformed into offices for the metastasized diocesan bureaucracy, exercise facilities for the Milwaukee Bucks and a retirement home for priests.

The major seminary, founded in 1848, shut down its academic program in July of this year [2007?]. The few students who remain in the empty and downsized building take courses at a small religious order seminary nearby.

Before Vatican II all these institutions were thriving. One hundred and twenty-five boys entered with me as freshmen in the seminary high school. The Rector told us that after the twelve, hard years of study that would follow, just a small number of us would be ordained — “only” twenty-five.

To deny that Vatican II emptied these seminaries and destroyed the Catholic priesthood is to deny reality. From the time of St. Benedict (+543) [N.B.  This is the year Saint Benedict died.], religious institutions received boys, formed them spiritually, educated them and prepared them to be monks, priests and religious — a practice repeatedly commended by the popes.

But what flourished before the Council withered after it — nearly instantly — yet people like you refuse to read the writing on the wall.

I know the usual excuse Wanderer types make for the post-Vatican II mess: the Council was not properly “interpreted,” it restated all the traditional doctrines, etc.

However, as I quickly discovered in the seminary when I tried to use Vatican II’s statements against modernists, the documents are rife with double-talk, ambiguities and terminal logorrhea.

(If this were not so, by the way, the CDF statement on Lumen Gentium’s “subsists in” that you’ve been doing cartwheels over would not have been necessary. Forty years, and it still needs to be “clarified”?)

The Vatican II documents are classic modernist claptrap of the type St. Pius X condemned in PascendiCatholic-sounding on one page, doctrinally subversive on the next. This was method and intention of the periti [theologians] — Rahner, Schillebeeckx, de Lubac, Congar and, yes, Ratzinger [N.B.: now Pope Benedict 16th]— who massaged the language of the texts as they were being written.

If we wish to restore the Catholic priesthood, the only “light” in which we should “interpret” the Vatican II documents should be that of a bonfire — in which we burn every single copy.

Sincerely yours…

Rev. ........

Part Two

Commentary on MINOR Roman Catholic Seminaries

Question to the Reader:  “Would you not also be extremely frustrated and beyond angry with your teachers, as is the author of the above article, IF during your first year in high school your Priest-teachers taught you certain things which the Roman Catholic Church teaches and then, the very next year these very same Priest-teachers would teach you either something totally different and/or the total opposite of what they had taught you just the previous year?”  Since when does the Truth change?  Since when does God - Who is Truth - change?

The answer is:

“Thou shalt not follow the multitude to do evil: neither shalt thou yield in judgment, to the opinion of the most part, to stray from the Truth.” (Exodus 23:2).

“Into Thy hands I commend my spirit: Thou hast redeemed me, O Lord, the God of Truth.” (Psalm 30:6).

“For His mercy is confirmed upon us: and the Truth of the Lord remaineth for ever.” (Psalm 116:2).

“A deceitful tongue loveth not Truth: and a slippery mouth worketh ruin.” (Proverbs 26:28).

“What Truth can come from that which is false?”  (Ecclesiasticus  34:4).

“But above all these things pray to the most High, that He may direct thy way in Truth.”  (Ecclesiasticus  37:19).

“But I will tell thee what is set down in the Scripture of Truth.” (Daniel 10:21).

“And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we saw His glory, the glory as it were of the only begotten of the Father,) full of Grace and Truth.” (John 1:14).

“For the law was given by Moses; Grace and Truth came by Jesus Christ.” (John 1:17).

“And you shall know the Truth, and the Truth shall make you free.” (John 8:32).

“I am the Way, and the Truth and the Life.  No man cometh to the Father but by Me.” (John 14:6).

“But when the Paraclete [God the Holy Ghost] cometh, Whom I will send you from the Father, the Spirit of Truth, Who proceedeth from the Father, He shall give testimony of Me.” (John 15:26).

“But when He [God the Holy Ghost], the Spirit of Truth, is come, He will teach you all Truth.” (John 16:13).

“Pilate therefore said to Him:  Art Thou a king then?  Jesus answered:  Thou sayest that I am a king.  For this was I born, and for this came I into the world; that I should give testimony to the Truth.  Every one that is of the Truth, heareth My voice.” (John 18:37).

“Because they receive not the love of the Truth, that they might be saved. Therefore God shall send them the operation of error, to believe lying.” (2 Thessalonians 2:10).

“Ever learning, and never attaining to the knowledge of the Truth.” (2 Timothy 3:7).

“For there shall be a time, when they will not endure sound doctrine; but, according to their own desires, they will heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears: And will indeed turn away their hearing from the Truth, but will be turned unto fables.” (2 Timothy 4:3-4).

“No lie is of the Truth.”  (1 John 2:21).

“And it is the Spirit which testifieth, that Christ is the Truth.” (1 John 5:6).

“Anyone who conceals the Truth for fear of some authority calls down the wrath of God upon himself, because he fears men more than God... Both are guilty:  he who conceals the Truth and he who speaks falsehood, because the former does not wish to make the Truth known and the latter desires not to refute it.” (Bishop Saint Augustine, Ad Casulanus, Cause 11, Question 3, Quisquis.)

Saint Thomas Aquinas, O.P.

“God is immutable” (Saint Thomas Aquinas, O.P., [b. 1225 A.D. in Rocca Secca, Naples, Italy - d. Wednesday, March 7, 1274 A.D., in Fossa Nuova, Italy], Doctor of the Church, Summa Theologica, Part I, Question 9, Article 1).

“God is Truth” (Saint Thomas Aquinas, O.P., Summa Theologica, Part I, Question 16, Article 5; Summa Theologica, Part II-II, Question 93, Article 2, Reply to Objection 2. Summa Contra Gentiles Book I, Chapter 60).

For anyone who would want to be in denial about any of this, it would be like any teacher who one year, in teaching the science of mathematics, teaches the freshmen students that 2 plus 2 equals 4.

But then, the very next year, this very same teacher teaches the same students, in their sophomore year, that 2 plus 2 equals 22!!!

Or what of a science teacher who teaches the freshmen students that the earth is round, but the very next year, this very same teacher teaches the same students, in their sophomore year, that the earth is square!!!

Would you not question the sanity of such "teachers"?
Would you not question the integrity of such "teachers"?
Would you not question the sincerity of such "teachers"?
Would you not question the competence of such "teachers"?
Would you not question the morals of such "teachers"?
Whatever happened to teaching only the objective, unchangeable Truth, especially since:
“Truth cannot be Truth’s contrary.” (Saint Thomas Aquinas, O.P., Summa Contra Gentiles, IV, 8).
How can such teachers have any credibility?

Why should you even bother to learn falsehoods and lies?

How is it that a teacher who deliberately teaches errors is somehow "good"?

How is it that a teacher who deliberately teaches errors is "rewarded"?

How is it that no one in authority corrects such a teacher who deliberately teaches errors?

What is wrong with the people in charge of such a teacher?

What is wrong with a school system which permits such a teacher in such a school to blatantly teach errors?

What is wrong with society which permits such a school system to continue to permit such a teacher in such a school to blatantly teach errors?

Where does the false teaching end?

Where does the deception end?

Why is there no accountability to anyone for any of this?

Who is ultimately responsible for these lies?

Who is ultimately responsible for deliberately teaching innocent children errors and lies??!!

It is bad enough to have the paganized, secular humanistic, anti-God United States Public School System do this on a daily basis with some of the garbage they try to force their teachers to teach to innocent children - for which crimes Almighty God will exact a severely strict accounting of them on their Day of Judgement because, as the Scripture testifies:

“But he that shall scandalize one of these little ones that believes in Me, it were better for him that a millstone should be hung about his neck, and that he should be drowned in the depth of the sea”  (Matthew 18:6),
but, when falsehoods, errors, and lies are taught to these little ones, in mis-nomered “Roman Catholic” schools, by whoever, especially by Religious Sisters, Nuns, Lay-Brothers, and/or by supposed Roman Catholic Priests, and most especially when falsehoods, errors, and lies are taught to Seminarians, whether in MINOR Seminaries and/or MAJOR Seminaries, by “priests”, so-called, some of which Seminarians would be destined to become future Priests, Bishops, Archbishops, Cardinals, Popes, etc., what kind of an horrific and most severe judgement awaits such teachers and those who are in authority who permit such Satanic evils, most especially Religious Superiors, Ordinaries (Bishops) of local Dioceses, and the Vatican in general and the Pope in particular?!

But this is exactly the errors that the priest-teachers of the above author taught him regarding the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church in his MINOR Roman Catholic Seminary!

How can such Religious Superiors, Bishops, etc. permit the deliberate teaching of such falsehoods, errors, and lies and do nothing to change it,- especially when it involves the teaching of future Priests and Bishops!!?

How can such heretical and apostate Priests, Bishops, etc. live with their own conscience?

Not only that, but Jesus Christ NEVER gave the Apostles, or any of their successors, or any group of Bishops or Church Councils or Synod of Bishops, or anyone else - not even a Pope, any power, authority, and/or jurisdiction to CHANGE any of His UNCHANGEABLE Divine Teachings, the Divine Truths!!!

A Few Examples

“I am the Lord and I change not.” (Malachias 2:6).

“Hold the Traditions which you have learned.” (2 Thessalonians 2:14).

“Now the Spirit manifestly saith that in the last times some shall depart from the Faith, giving heed to spirits of error and doctrines of devils speaking lies in hypocrisy and having their conscience seared.”  (1 Timothy 4:1).

“Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding the profane novelties of words, oppositions of knowledge falsely so-called.”  (1 Timothy 6:20).

“But though We, or an angel from Heaven, preach to you a Gospel besides that which We have preached to you; let him be anathema.” (Galatians 1:8).

“Be not led away with various and strange doctrines.  Jesus Christ yesterday, and today, and the same forever.” (Hebrews 13:8-9).

“With the Father of light there is no change nor shadow of alteration.” (James 1:17).

“But God’s Word is one and the same and, as it is written: The Word of God endureth forever [Isaias 40:8] unchanged, not before or after another, but existing the same always.  For it was fitting, whereas God is One, that His Image should be One also, and His Word One and One His Wisdom” (Patriarch Saint Athanasius [b. Alexandria, Egypt 296 A.D. - d. Alexandria, Egypt on Wednesday, May 2, 373A.D.], Patriarch of Alexandria, Egypt, Father of Orthodoxy in the Catholic Church, Four Discourses Against the Arians, Discourse II, Chapter XVII, Introduction to Proverbs viii. 22, Continued, ¶ 36; emphasis added).

“Revealed Truth, to be what it professes, must have an uninterrupted descent from the Apostles.  Its teachers must be unanimous and persistent in their unanimity and it must bear no human master’s name as its designation.”  (Ibid.).

“Let us note that the very Tradition, Teaching, and Faith of the Catholic Church from the beginning, which the Lord gave, was preached by the Apostles, and was preserved by the Fathers. On this was the Church founded; and if anyone departs from this, he neither is, nor any longer ought to be called, a Christian.”  (Patriarch Saint Athanasius, Letter to Serapion of Thmuis, 359 A.D.).

Bishop Saint Polycarp
“Let us abandon the vanities of the crowd and their false teachings; let us return to the word which was delivered to us from the beginning.” (Bishop Saint Polycarp [c. 69 A.D. - d. martyred on Saturday, February 23, 166 A.D.], a Disciple of Saint John the Apostle, Evangelist and author of the Apocalypse [b.  ?  A.D. - d. Ephesus, c. 101 A.D.], who made him the Bishop of Smyrna.  Saint Polycarp is an Apostolic Father of the Catholic Church.).

Catholicus Saint Basil the Great
“Dogmas of Faith cannot be altered one jot or tittle because “of the law [of Faith] we are told one jot, or one tittle shall not pass of the law (Matthew 5:18).”  (Catholicus Saint Basil the Great [b. Caesarea, Cappadocia 329 A.D. - d. Caesarea, Cappadocia on Monday, January 1, 379 A.D.]. His Mother was Emmelia, the Daughter of a holy martyr.  He was the Catholicus of Caesarea, Metropolitan Archbishop of Cappadocia, Exarch of Pontus, Superior of fifty Chorepiscopi [Sunday, June 14, 370 A.D. - Monday, January 1, 379 A.D.], Doctor of the Catholic Church, De Spiritu Sancto, Chapter 1, ¶ 2).

Bishop Saint Isidore of Seville
“Therefore, heresy is so-called from the Greek word meaning “choice”, by which each chooses according to his own will what he pleases to teach or believe.  BUT WE ARE NOT PERMITTED TO BELIEVE WHATEVER WE CHOOSE, NOR TO CHOOSE WHATEVER SOMEONE ELSE HAS BELIEVED. We have the Apostles of God as authorities, who did not themselves of their own will choose what they would believe, but faithfully transmitted to the nations the teaching received from Christ.  So, even if an Angel from Heaven should preach otherwise, he shall be called anathema.”  (Bishop Saint Isidore of Seville [b. Cartagena, Spain 560 A.D. - d. Seville, Spain, 636 A.D.], Bishop of Seville, Doctor of the Catholic Church, ETYMOLOGIES, 8, 3; emphasis added).

Saint Thomas Aquinas, O.P.

“Hold firmly that our Faith is identical with that of the ancients.  Deny this, and you dissolve the unity of the Church.”  (Saint Thomas Aquinas, O.P., Disputations Concerning Truth, 14, 12).

Saint Vincent of Lerins
“In an Epistle sent at the time to Africa, he [Pope Saint Stephen I [Friday, May 12, 254 - Sunday, August 2, 257] laid down this rule: Let there be no innovation - nothing but what has been handed down.  For that holy and prudent man well knew that true piety admits no other rule than that whatsoever things have been faithfully received from our Fathers the same are to be faithfully consigned to posterity.  It is our duty to follow Religion, not to make Religion follow us.  The proper characteristic of Christians is not to impose their own beliefs or observances upon posterity, but to preserve and keep what we have received from those who went before us. What then was the issue of the whole matter? What but the usual and customary one? Antiquity was retained, novelty [i.e. change] was rejected.”  (Saint Vincent of Lerins [b. Toul, France, c. 400 A.D. - d. Island of Lerins, c. 450 A.D.], A Commonitory [an aid to memory] for the Antiquity and Universality of the Catholic Faith Against the Profane Novelties of All Heresies, Chapter VI, ¶ 16; emphasis added).

First Council of Chalcedon

“We have only one Doctrine; this is the Faith of the Doctors of the Church; this is the Faith of the Holy Apostles; this is the Faith which has saved the world.”  (Fourth Œcumenical Council, the First Council of Chalcedon [Sunday, October 8, 451 A.D. -  Wednesday, November 1, 451 A.D.]).

Second Council of Nicæa
“We preserve the teachings of the Fathers (of the Church); We anathematize those who add or subtract anything.” (Seventh Œcumenical Council, the Second Council of Nicæa [Thursday, September 24, 787 A.D. - Friday, October 23, 787 A.D.]).

Pope Saint Stephen I
“Let them innovate in nothing, but keep the Tradition.” (Pope Saint Stephen I [254-257], Letter to Saint Cyprian, 74).

So WHAT HAPPENS to those Clergy, whether Priests, Bishops, etc., who are responsible for trying to change the UNCHANGEABLE Divine Teachings and UNCHANGEABLE Divine Truths of Almighty God, and then, what is even worse, to TEACH such CHANGES as if these errors were the Truth?

Almighty God has already issued His warning:

“For I testify to every one that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book:  If any man shall add to these things, God shall add unto him the plagues written in this book.   And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from these things that are written in this book.” (Apocalypse 22:18-19).
The common consensus, at least before Synod Vatican 2, was that the term “this book” (Apocalypse 22:18) is not limited to only the Apocalypse, but that it also includes the entire “book” of Scripture, i.e. the entire “book” of the Bible.

Most pre-Vatican 2 Scripture Exegetics (Scholars) took the position that various parts of the Bible have different levels of meaning, not only the literal meaning, but also the Spiritual meaning, which would include:  Ascetical and/or Mystical;, Supernatural; Allegorical; Metaphorical; etc.

Venerable Mary of Agreda

Case in point is what one finds in the following example in Private Revelation:

"The mystery of which I am about to speak, with many others concerning our great Queen, was recorded by the Evangelist [Saint John] in the metaphors of the 21st Chapter of the Apocalypse; especially introducing the most holy Mary under the type of the holy Jerusalem and describing her under cover of all the circumstances mentioned in that chapter.  Although in the first part I have explained it at length in 3 chapters, applying it as it was then given me to understand, to the mystery of the Immaculate Conception of the Blessed Virgin Mother; yet it is necessary now to interpret it in relation to the mystery of the descent of the Queen of Angels after the Ascension of the Lord. Let it not be objected that there is a contradiction or repugnance in these different applications: for both of them are legitimately founded on the literal text of the Scriptures and there can be no doubt that the Divine Wisdom can comprehend in the same and identical words many mysteries and sacraments.  As David said:  God hath spoken once, these two things have I heard, that power belongeth to God [Psalm 61:12]and God certainly included a double meaning in the same words without equivocation or contradiction." (Venerable Mary of Agreda, MYSTICAL CITY OF GOD, Book IV, The Coronation, ¶ 14, pp. 42, 43; emphasis added).

Father Reginald Garrigou-Lagrange, O.P.

Lest anyone be overanxious, or otherwise be wont to quickly dismiss out of hand, Private Revelation, it would be most wise, most prudent, and most profitable to most seriously and most prayerfully consider the following:

“In regard to the visits of the Lord, we must also remember that they often differ appreciably.  There are visits of consolation, like the apparitions of Lourdes; But if people do not profit by them, the Lord comes to chastise; and if they do not profit by this Divine correction, He may come to condemn. [Footnote # 4:  Cf. Saint Thomas In Isaiam, Chap. 24: ‘The visitation of the Lord is multiple; of consolation... of correction... and at times of condemnation.’]” (Reverend Reginald Garrigou-Lagrange, O.P. [b. Auch, France 1877 A.D. - d. Rome, Italy, 1964 A.D.], who taught Dogmatic and Spiritual Theology for 53 years at the Pontifical University of Saint Thomas Aquinas, the Angelicum, in Rome, The Three Ages of the Interior Life, Prelude of Eternal Life, Translated by Sister M. Timothea Doyle, O.P., Volume Two, Chapter XXXIX [39], The effects of the Passive Purification of the Spirit in Relation Especially to the Three Theological Virtues, p. 402; emphasis added).

Saint Thomas Aquinas, O.P.
Private Revelation

“As regards the guidance of human acts, the prophetic revelation varied not according to the course of time, but according as circumstances required, because as it is written (Proverbs 29:18), ‘When prophecy shall fail, the people shall be scattered abroad.’  Wherefore at all times men were Divinely instructed about what they were to do, according as it was expedient for the Spiritual welfare of the Elect.”  (Saint Thomas Aquinas, O.P., [b. 1225 A.D. in Rocca Secca, Naples, Italy - d. Wednesday, March 7, 1274 A.D. in Fossa Nuova, Italy], Doctor of the Church, Summa Theologica, Part II-II, Question 174, Article 6, Body; emphasis added.)

“The prophets who foretold the coming of Christ could not continue further than John, who, with his finger, pointed to Christ actually present. Nevertheless as [Saint] Jerome says on this passage, ‘This does not mean that there were no more prophets after John. For we read in the Acts of the Apostles that Agabus and the four maidens, daughters of Philip, prophesied.’ John, too, wrote a prophetic book about the end of the Church; and at all times there have not been lacking persons having the Spirit of Prophecy, not indeed for the declaration of any new Doctrine of Faith, but for the direction of human acts. Thus Augustine says (De Civ. Dei [City of God] v, 26) that ‘the emperor Theodosius sent to John who dwelt in the Egyptian desert, and whom he knew by his ever-increasing fame to be endowed with the Prophetic Spirit: and from him he received a message assuring him of victory’.” (Saint Thomas Aquinas, O.P., Summa Theologica, Part II-II, Question 174, Article 6, Reply to Objection 3; emphasis added.)

Therefore, Private Revelations are not to be despised and/or ignored.

Marie-Julie Jahenny

Visions and Prophecies of Marie-Julie Jahenny

Marie-Julie Jahenny was favored with frequent visions of Jesus and Mary, as well as many prophecies. The Truth of the Heavenly warnings of which she was to be the humble messenger was vindicated by her characteristic simplicity and honesty, her exemplary obedience to her Spiritual Directors and her Bishop, and of course, by the fulfillment of what she prophecized during her long life.

For example, with unfailing accuracy she foretold the two World Wars, the election of Infallible Roman Catholic Pope, Saint Pius X, Giuseppe Melchiorre Sarto [Tuesday, August 4, 1903 - Thursday, August 20, 1914], the various persecutions of the Roman Catholic Church, the chastisements and the fate of apostate France.  But, more remains to unfold in the future.

Blind, deaf, dumb and crippled, she had subsisted miraculously on the Blessed Sacrament alone, for many of the last years of her life. Surely then, we will not pass over lightly what God has confided to her for the benefit of our own sad days.

Prophecies About the Church

During a Locution, she heard Lucifer tell Jesus Christ:

“I will attack the Church. I will overthrow the Cross, I will decimate the people, I will deposit a great weakness of Faith in hearts. There will also be a great denial of Religion.  For a time I will be master of all things, everything will be under my control, even Your temple and all Your people.”
Marie-Julie has said:
“Saint Michael says that Satan will have possession of everything for some time and that he will reign completely over everything; that all goodness, Faith, Religion will be buried in the tomb...  Satan and his own will triumph with joy, but after this triumph, the Lord will, in His turn, gather His own people and will reign and triumph over evil and will raise up from the tomb the buried Church, the prostrated cross. . .”
Marie-Julie Jahenny [June 1881]:
“In their [priests] aberration, they will break their oaths. The Book of Life contains a list of names that ‘rends the heart.’ Because of the little respect it has for the Apostles of God, the flock grows careless and ceases to observe the laws. The Priest himself is responsible for the lack of respect because he does not respect enough his Holy Ministry, and the place which he occupies in his Sacred functions. The flock follows in the footsteps of its Pastors; this is a great tragedy.”

“The Clergy will be severely punished on account of their inconceivable fickleness and great cowardice which is incompatible with their functions. A terrible chastisement has been provided for those who ascend every morning the steps of the Holy Sacrifice. I have not come on your altars to be tortured. I suffer a hundredfold more from such hearts than any of the others. I absolve you from your great sins, My children, but I cannot grant any pardon to these Priests.”

Marie-Julie Jahenny said:
“Those who govern the Flock” (i.e. the Prelates - this includes Bishops, Archbishops, Cardinals, and Popes) will be responsible for the coming crisis.
She mentioned the growing freedom enjoyed by Priests and Bishops and how badly they would use it.   Marie-Julie then went on to say the “Red Revolution” (Communism) would break out.

Marie-Julie Jahenny was 100% correct!  It is an historical fact that the Roman Catholic Church was infiltrated by Communists, Freemasons, Modernist heretics, etc.

September 29, 1879 - Saint Michael the Archangel

“The Lord sees all the evil that wants to triumph, He sees Satan make tents on the land and assembling his friends to complete the final effort to overthrow. Never was a time so terrible, but do not be afraid! I will walk on the line with you. I will walk this line from France to Rome with my flaming sword ... I come to destroy the wicked by the Lord's command. ‘War to Christ and death to the Church!’ That is what they sing, the wicked! They are just prolonging the existence of the afflicted. Without their prayers, the hour of God would not be suspended.  It is the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass that soothes the irritated anger of the Lord.”  (“The Breton Stigmatist”; emphasis added.)

Prophecies on the Novus Ordo - the NEW Mass

During at least two apparitions of Our Lord, one on Thursday, June 3, 1880, and the other one either on Wednesday, November 27, 1901 or on Thursday, November 27, 1902, to the famous Catholic Mystic and Stigmatist, Marie-Julie Jahenny, prophecies concerning the NEW mass were revealed to her.

In addition, our Blessed Mother also prophecized about these terrible things during her apparition on Tuesday, May 10, 1904 to Marie-Julie Jahenny.

Here are Marie-Julies's Prophecies
Concerning the Novus Ordo Missae, the NEW mass

June 1, 1880
“The Breton Stigmatist”, p. 39

“All the works approved by the infallible Church will cease to exist as they are today for a time. In this sorrowful annihilation, brilliant signs will be manifested on earth. If because of the wickedness of men Holy Church will be in darkness, the Lord will also send darkness that will stop the wicked in their search of wickedness...”

Thursday, June 3, 1880
“The Breton Stigmatist”, p. 39 (emphasis added)

Our Lord describes how Lucifer will proceed. He (Satan) will address Priests:

“You will dress in a large red cloak...We (devils) will give you a piece of bread and a few drops of water. You can do everything that you did when you belonged to Christ....”

“But,” says Our Lord, “they do not add, Consecration and Communion.”

And Hell added:

“We will permit you to say it in all houses and even under the firmament.”

Thursday, November 27, 1902, (N.B. Thursday, November 27, 1902 is the date of the 72nd anniversary of the Miraculous Medal Apparition [Saturday, November 27, 1830]), Our Lord appeared to Marie-Julie Jahenny in which He warned of a new liturgy for the Mass which was then currently already being made up:
I give you a warning. The disciples who are not of My Gospel are now working hard to remake according to their ideas, and under the influence of the enemy of souls [Satan], a Mass that contains words which are odious in My Sight. When the fatal hour arrives where the faith of My Priests are put to the test, it will be these texts that will be celebrated, in this second period.” (emphasis added)

“The first period is the one of My Priesthood, existing since Me. The second is the one of the persecution, when the enemies of the Faith and of Holy Religion will impose their formulas in the book of the second celebration. Many of My holy Priests will refuse this book, sealed with the words of the abyss. Unfortunately, amongst them are those who will accept it.” (emphasis added).

Our Blessed Mother

Our Blessed Mother appeared to Marie-Julie Jahenny on Tuesday, May 10, 1904 and  described the NEW Clergy and their NEW liturgy, including NEW sacraments:

“They will not stop on this hateful and sacrilegious road. They will go further to compromise all at once, and in one blow, the Holy Church, the Clergy, and the Faith of my children.”
Our Blessed Mother announced the “dispersion of the pastors” by the church herself; true Pastors, who will be replaced by others formed by Hell:
“...NEW preachers of NEW sacraments, NEW temples, NEW baptisms, NEW confraternities.”  (emphasis added).

The Historical Record Recounts Three, Well-Respected,
Prelates of the Roman Catholic Church
Who Made Observations About the Changes.

Alfredo Cardinal Ottaviani

I pray to God that I may die before the end of the council -- in that way I can die a Catholic.” (Alfredo Cardinal Ottaviani, June 1962, Cardinal Prefect of the Supreme Holy Office, following a speech by Cardinal Montini  - the future Paul 6 - on the need for changes in the Church).

“....the NOVUS ORDO represents, both as a whole and in its details, a striking departure from the Catholic theology of the Mass as it was formulated in Session 22 of the Synod of Trent.  The Canons on the [Ancient Roman] Rite definitively fixed at that time provided an insurmountable barrier to any heresy directed against the integrity of the Mystery.” (His Eminence Alfredo Cardinal Ottaviani [b. on Wednesday, October 29, 1890 - d. on Friday, August 3, 1979] was Secretary of the Holy Office of the Roman Curia from 1959 to 1966 when that dicastery was reorganized as the Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith, in which he served as Pro-Prefect, until 1968, the Prefect-Emeritus of the Sacred Congregation of the Faith,  Letter to Pope Paul, September 25, 1969; emphasis added.)

“It is rather strong to claim that the New mass is contrary to the Council of Trent but, displeasing as it is, it is true.” (Alfredo Cardinal Ottaviani, Cardinal Prefect of the Supreme Holy Office).

“Are we seeking to stir up wonder, or perhaps scandal, among the Christian people, by introducing changes in so venerable a rite that has been approved for so many centuries and is now so familiar?  The rite of Holy Mass should not be treated as if it were a piece of cloth to be refashioned according to the whim of each generation.” (Alfredo Cardinal Ottaviani, Cardinal Prefect of the Holy Office, 1962, Ralph M. Wiltgen, “The Rhine Flows into the Tiber”, p. 28.)

Giuseppe Cardinal Siri

“[Synod Vatican 2 was] the greatest disaster in recent ecclesiastical history.” (Giuseppe Cardinal Siri [b. Sunday, May 20, 1906 in Genoa, Italy - d. Tuesday, May 2, 1989], Archbishop of Genoa, Italy, from “Pontiff”, p. 369 - Gordon Thomas/Max Morgan Witts.)

“[Synod Vatican 2 was] a sinister farce acted out by three thousand good-for-nothings, some of whom, despite the gold [pectoral] crosses on their chests, don’t even believe in the Trinity or the Virgin.”  (Bishop Antonio Romeo of the Sacred Congregation of Rites in Bob Considine’s column ON THE LINE in the NEW YORK JOURNAL AMERICAN of Friday, November 27, 1964; emphasis added.)

Additional Historical Data Which Is Also A Personal True Story

Part Three

MAJOR Roman Catholic Seminaries

Here is one example from a person who attended a MAJOR Roman Catholic Seminary BEFORE Synod Vatican 2.   Name not published for obvious reasons.

An Historical and Personal True Story

His life in a MAJOR Roman Catholic Seminary before Synod Vatican 2 includes both general information as well as some personal experiences.  What he writes is of historical value insofar as he is able to give you a first-hand account of what happened in MAJOR Roman Catholic Seminaries in general.

The Novitiate

In general, I learned that each Religious Order and Religious Congregation of Men and Women has a Rule, originally written by the Holy Founder of that particular Religious Order (members of a Religious Order take solemn vows) or that particular Religious Congregation (members of a Religious Congregation take simple vows), which, in some cases, has been somewhat modified, whether due to changes in technology, or the primary purpose(s) of that Order or Congregation, as well as various civil laws which do not permit certain types of Religious activities, e.g. the mendicant Orders in the U.S. can not go door to door to beg for food as was the case when they were first founded in Western Europe over 600 to 900 years ago, etc.

All Religious Orders and Religious Congregations of Men and Women have a Novitiate which is a time primarily devoted to learning about, and actually living, a genuine, real Spiritual Life.  The length of time varies from Order to Order and Congregation to Congregation, but in my case consisted of 6 months as a Postulant when I wore black shoes and socks, black dress slacks, a white shirt with a black tie and, in cold weather, a black sweater indoors and a black dress topcoat outdoors with a black hat.

When I became a Novice, I was given the official Religious Habit of my Religious Congregation, the name of which I am not permitted to mention, even though this is a True, Historical Fact.

Now it was a requirement that their Novitiate had to be kept separate from their Scholasticate (where Major Seminarians study Scholastic Philosophy for four years) and their Theologate (where Major Seminarians study Theology for four years).

So this explains why their Novitiate was located in another State in the U.S.A.  My Parents drove me to the Novitiate where, as a Novice, I received the official ******** Habit which consisted of a Black Cassock, Black Cassock Cincture, Black Shoulder Cape, White Roman Collar attached to a Black Cassock Rabat, and a Black Biretta.

So that we would not forget Latin, all of my fellow Novices and myself had one class of Latin for about one hour several days a week.  All the rest of our classes, reading, etc., was devoted exclusively to the study of the Spiritual Life, learning how to Meditate, chanting the Little Office of the Blessed Virgin Mary every day, in Latin of course (unfortunately I later learned it was the Pius XII Psalter, not that of Saint Jerome), a half hour of recreation in the middle of the morning and a full one hour of recreation in the evening.

Every Novice was assigned a specific area of the Novitiate to clean.  Mine was the living room for the two Priests who lived at the Novitiate.  One Priest was the Novice Master and the other was called the “Minister” because he took care of buying the food, paying the utilities, and such like.  He was also the Chaplain for a Monastery of Nuns about a mile down the road.

In those days, all Seminarians, including Novices, were not permitted to either receive and/or to make any telephone calls, were forbidden to read any newspapers or magazines, were forbidden to have radios, records, and record players, were forbidden to watch TV (except for the Scholastics and Theologians who had only one TV set which was located in their recreation room - but they could only watch it for only one half per day and that was during the one hour evening recreation period when the TV program - which was only the national news - was personally supervised by the Prefect of Students), etc. The whole idea was to stay out of the world as much as possible.

There was a laundry crew that did the laundry once a week.  It consisted of two Novices, one of whom was going to be a Brother - the rest of us were wanting to study to become Priests.  They went to a coin-operated laundromat in the local city.  Aside from helping out once, maybe two times, with the laundry, the entire time I was in the Novitiate, along with the other Novices (except the two regulars who did the laundry), none of us ever left the Novitiate except for a few very rare trips.

One such trip was to Indianapolis, Indiana where we stopped at the Indy 500 race track and museum one week day during warm weather (I no longer remember which month, but it was a summer month).  From there, we stopped by to visit with the Carmelite Nuns at their Monastery in Indianapolis.  Then it was the return trip back to the Novitiate.

As I remember it, the Novice Master had to be very careful that we Novices were not gone from the Novitiate for more than 24 consecutive hours, or we would have to restart the entire canonical year (1 calendar year plus 1 day) all over again!

The Scholasticate & The Theologate

Seminarians had to have their desk and ceiling room lights off and be in bed by 10:45 p.m. and were up by 4:30 a.m. in the Theologate, except on Sundays we got to sleep in an extra half an hour.  Plus there was always the siesta which varied according to the Seminary and the day of the week, from 30 minutes up to a full hour on Sundays.

Strict silence was always maintained, with the exceptions noted below, so that we could either talk with God, or listen to God's inspirations, or to study, or to do whatever our homework was which always took at least three to four hours every day, sometimes even longer.  The total time we were in the Chapel varied by the Seminary and the day from about five hours in the Novitiate to about 3 hours in the Scholasticate and about 2 hours in the Theologate.

The Scholasticate
Classrooms and Chapel were on the First Floor

Not only in the Novitiate, but also in the Scholasticate, there was a specific schedule for all of us to follow, called the “horarium”.  In addition to the study of Scholastic Philosophy, there were many additional subjects to study.  I also ended up on the book-binding department where I learned how to rebind old books.  I also took an additional, non-required class, in a special Saturday morning class, on the History of the Catholic Liturgy, especially the Mass.

The Theologate

Likewise, in the Theologate, there was a specific schedule all of us had to follow, called the “horarium”.   Throughout all of my years in the MAJOR Seminary, everyone was always awakened with “Deo Gratias et Mariae” (Thanks be to God and Mary), to which all of us had to respond: “Semper Deo Gratias et Mariae” (Always give thanks to God and Mary).

In the Scholasticate and Theologate, all of the Seminarians had tiny private rooms, called “cells” which consisted of a bed, a desk, a small plastic desk lamp, a chair, a sink, an alarm clock, and a tiny closet.  All of us took turns, each one for one full week, in community order, going from room to room and knocking on each door to awaken our fellow Seminarians with “Deo Gratias et Mariae” (Thanks be to God and Mary).  We had to wait for the response:  “Semper Deo Gratias et Mariae” (Always give thanks to God and Mary).

IF we did not get a response, we had to report this to the Priest who was in charge of the Students, called the “Prefect of Students” who then had to find another Priest, and together, the two of them would go to check on the Seminarian to see if he was alive (usually either sick or extremely tired) or dead (which never happened to me in my Seminary days).

Seminarians were absolutely forbidden to ever enter the room of another Seminarian - for any reason.

Anyone who did this would be expelled from the Seminary immediately!

There would never be even the shadow of any doubt about anyone being a homosexual.

Except for only a very few times between getting up and going to bed, all Seminarians were required to observe absolute silence at all times.

This was true of all Seminarians, not just Novices.  In other words, this included the Scholastics (Seminarians who studied Scholastic Philosophy for four years).  It also included the Theologians (Seminarians who studied Theology for four years).

While on the subject of time, it should be noted that for centuries before Synod V-2 (Vatican 2), a Seminarian who was a Scholastic could only become a Theologian after he successfully completed the full four years of the study of Scholastic Philosophy.

This means that the total minimal time for a MAJOR Seminarian to be in the MAJOR Seminary, which went from becoming a Postulant to graduating as a Theologian and being Ordained to the Holy Catholic Priesthood, was at least 9 1/2 years from beginning to end.

After Priestly Ordination, there was one more year required to study Pastoral Theology.  This makes it at least 10 1/2 years of total time for such a Seminarian to be in the Seminary before being given his first ministerial assignment as a Priest, whether being sent to a parish in the U.S., or to a foreign mission, or to something else, for various reasons.

Regarding other Religious Orders/Congregations, for some Seminarians, the time was even longer.  For example, the Jesuits had a two year Novitiate, after Postulancy and before becoming a Scholastic, and then one additional full year of Novitiate after their Priestly Ordination.  Bottom line, Jesuit Seminarians spent a total of well over 12 years in their Seminaries.

Not only in the Novitiate, but also in the Scholasticate and in the Theologate, after being awakened, the Seminarians had only 20 minutes to shower, shave, and otherwise take care of their personal grooming, before they had to be in the Chapel for the half hour for Morning Prayers, followed by a full hour for Meditation, followed by Mass, then the half hour for Thanksgiving after Mass, followed by breakfast.

Photo Taken in Another Seminary During that Same
General Time Period Shown Here as an Historical and Visual Example:

Seminarians Serving the Private Masses
Offered by the Priest-Instructors who Lived in the Seminary

Then came our first class of the day, to be followed by a number of other one hour classes throughout the day.  A half hour before the Noon lunch we were in the Chapel for our fore-noon prayers of about 10 minutes which was followed by about 20 minutes of public Spiritual Reading.

Community Order.  Community Order was the rank of each Seminarian and was usually based upon the date of birth of each Seminarian, with the oldest Seminarian having the first rank, followed by the second oldest Seminarian, etc.

Following Community Order, the Seminarians took turns, each turn lasting one full week, of publicly reading to everyone in the Chapel from the book the Prefect of Students (in the Novitiate it was the Novice Master) had selected in advance.

After the Prefect of Students (in the Novitiate it was the Novice Master) gave the signal (the signal was a small hand-size bell that was rung), the Seminarian ended the public reading.  Then we had Noon prayers of about 5 to 10 minutes after which we silently went to the Refectory to have lunch.

The procedure in the Refectory was always the same for Breakfast, Lunch, and Dinner.

All of the Seminarians, proceeded by their Religious Superior, the Prefect of Students, and all of the Priest-Instructors would silently file into the Refectory.  Then the Liturgical Prayers before Meals, which are in the Breviary, were said, with the respective alternating parts - the Versicle being said by the Religious Superior (in the Novitiate it was the Novice Master), and the Responsory (Response) being said by all of the other Priests, along with all of the Seminarians.

At the conclusion of these prayers - all in Latin, of course - all would sit at their respective tables, following rank order, of course.  Then, while several Seminarians (this was done by the first group of the first 5 Seminarians for one full week, followed by the next group of 5 Seminarians, all done by community order, of course) would bring out the bowls of food and set them on the tables.

This always began first with the head table at which the Religious Superior, the Prefect of Students, and all of the Priest-Instructors sat, and then the next group of tables at which the Seminarians of the highest community order rank sat, etc.

For Breakfast only coffee was served to drink (this meant I had nothing to drink since I do not drink coffee), except on Sundays when there was also a small juice glass filled with orange juice.  For Lunch and Dinner Pitchers of water and milk were provided for each table.

All Fridays were, of course, meatless.  I remember Fridays at the Theologate how we only had “tuna dogs” to eat along with bread.  They looked like hot dogs.

To give you an idea of how “tuna dogs” tasted, because of the over 300 Religious Houses and Monasteries within walking distance of the Catholic University of America, the back door of the kitchens of all of these Religious Houses always had a line of homeless people - in those days they were only older men (some people called them “bums” or “transients”) - waiting for any leftovers.  I felt sorry for those poor, homeless men.

Everyday our Seminary had a few leftovers which our cooks, who were Nuns, and had their Convent next door to our Seminary, gave out to these unfortunate men.  But there was one exception!  The very first friday on which our Nuns gave our few leftover “tuna dogs” to these homeless men, that very next friday - surprise! surprise!  - there was nobody at the back door of our Seminary kitchen wanting our leftover “tuna dogs”!  So this should give you a tiny idea of how these “tuna dogs” tasted?!  Not even the hungry, homeless men wanted the “tuna dogs” which all of us - Priests and Seminarians - ate!

Now while all of this was happening, namely after the Liturgical Prayers Before Meals (in Latin, from the Breviary, which are rather long) were concluded, and after everyone, except the food servers had sat down, again following community order, one of the Seminarians would read from several different books while everyone else was eating.  This Seminarian would eat after everyone else left the Refectory after the long Liturgical Prayers After Meals was concluded.

Because the Refectory in the Theologate was a relatively large room, just as the Refectory in the Scholasticate had also been a relatively large room, the podium at which the Seminarian stood in the Theologate, which was to the right of the head table at which the Priests sat, was equipped with a microphone (there was no microphone, if I remember correctly, in the Scholasticate), the volume control of which was sometimes a “penance”.

In any event, as at all meals, there was total silence, except for the sound of dishes, silverware, and the Seminarian who was reading at the podium.  Now in the Novitiate, in the Scholasticate, and most especially in the Theologate, there was one Priest at the head table who was in charge of correcting the Seminarian who was doing the public reading to everyone in the Refectory.

This Priest had a small bell which he would use to have the Reader pause while he, the Priest in charge of correcting errors, would publicly correct the Seminarian who had just mispronounced a word.  Then the Seminarian would have to repeat the pronunciation the correcting Priest used, and then return to what he had been reading and this time begin with the last sentence in which the mispronounced word was and then read that sentence, with the correct pronunciation of the previously mispronounced word, and then continue on reading from there.

Unfortunately, not all of the Seminarian-Theologians had English for their native language because some of them were from a country in Western Europe.  However, they were give time to practice their public reading in advance (just as were all of the native English-speaking Seminarians), and therefore, all in all, I thought those who were from Western Europe did a remarkable job pronouncing the English.  As a matter of fact, the bell was rung more often for some of the native English-speaking Seminarians.

I remember when it was my turn, I would very carefully read aloud the entire section of the reading material (which was always different for each of the three meals) which I timed with my wrist watch.  Perhaps this helped me to avoid ever having had the bell rung, even one time for me (actually not even one time period, whether in the Novitiate, the Scholasticate, or the Theologate), although I thought for sure it would be rung many times when I had to read one article from a religious magazine which had a long quotation in it that was all in French!

I remember reading that French quotation aloud over and over in my practice time in my private room.  I was not satisfied with my pronunciation at all and so I just - as I always did for everything - asked the good God for His help, especially God the Holy Ghost - a procedure I had begun to use when in a Catholic Grade School.

To put this into a proper perspective, several months before then, the recreation room in the Theologate had a record player in it.  It had a set of records on how to learn Spanish and how to learn French.  As it turned it, I had been listening to both sets of records during our longer recreation times on Saturdays and Sundays, part of which could be used for study if we wanted to study that language.  I also attended a class in Spanish taught by one of our Priests at the Theologate.

But, I was not so fortunate with the French.  Yet, I had been trying to carefully listen to the proper pronunciation of French on the records, following the large booklet that came with the French-speaking record set.  Apparently my concentration and memory were better than I realized because, to make a long story short, after I had finished reading the entire quotation in French publicly at the podium in the Refectory, the mispronunciation bell had not been rung, not even one time!  I can not take any credit for any of this - it was only by God's help that I was able to do it - and I always give total credit to God for all of this, not just for correctly reading the article in French, but for everything I did in all of my years in the MAJOR Seminary, including, but not limited to, all of my public reading.

I remember afterwards, during a recreation period, one of the 4th year Theologians came up to me and told me that both he, and his other Western European Seminarians, were very surprised of how, when shortly after they first arrived at the Theologate, and the bell was rung for other Seminarians, how none of the other Seminarians, and none of the Priests, would laugh at the reader who made a pronunciation, or any other, mistake, e.g. inflection, pausing at the wrong place, etc.  He told me that in the Seminary from which he had come, every time a Seminarian would incorrectly pronounce a word, everyone would laugh at him.  All of them were very impressed with how all of the American Priests and Seminarians never laughed, not even once, at any pronunciation error, or at any other dumb mistakes that the various readers would sometimes inadvertently make.

When I was in the Theologate, which was in Washington, D.C., I was permitted to go to downtown Washington, D.C. to the U.S. Capitol to see the U.S. Congress and the U.S. Senate in action.  I remember seeing Senator John F. Kennedy on the floor of the U.S. Senate.  Of course, this was some time before he was elected U.S. President.

I could also go to some of the national monuments, the Smithsonian, and the National Gallery of Art, and the National Archives.

I also went to the Pontifical Mass of Richard Cardinal Cushing at the Basilica of the National Shrine of the Immaculate Conception for President Kennedy the very same morning of his inauguration.
After that, I went downtown, by city bus, along with one of my classmates, to witness the actual inauguration of President John Fitzgerald Kennedy and almost froze my feet because of standing on what had been a lot of snow (the night before there was a blizzard!) but which had been packed down by many people walking on it and turning it to ice.
That was when the inauguration was held on the front side of the U.S. Capitol - the side that faces the U.S. Supreme Court building.

I also went to the National Shrine of the Immaculate Conception, just across the street, with one of our Priests who Offered Mass in the crypt, specifically in the Chapel of the Confessionals, on every First Saturday of the month, and I was always his Mass-Server.  He had chosen me because he liked the way I served Mass.

The afternoon in the Theologate also had two, one hour classes, followed by one hour of study time, followed by the assigned cleaning or maintenance duties on Saturdays which was different because there were usually no classes on Saturdays, although I took an extra Saturday morning class in the Scholasticate, that was not required, on the study of the Liturgy, especially the history of the Mass, Sacramental Theology regarding the Mass and Sacraments, etc.

We then had dinner which was followed by an hour of recreation which was followed by evening devotions which consisted of the Rosary and, on Sundays, Solemn Vespers and Compline, followed by a Sermon by the Religious Superior, and then Benediction of the Blessed Sacrament.  After which came more study time, followed by Night Prayers at 9:30 p.m. which lasted for 20 minutes, and was followed by study time until it was time for lights out and to be in bed.

I remember when I was taking classes in Koine Greek (the Greek in which the New Testament was originally written), I would frequently fall asleep studying it and then wake up on the morning, still wearing all of my clothes, even my shoes were still on, laying width-way on the bed, with both of my feet on the floor, and with my Greek Grammar book as a “pillow” under my head.  Some of my classmates told me that they thought the reason I got straight A's in Greek was because of osmosis, from using my Greek Grammar as a “pillow”!

There are many, many other things I could mention, but hopefully you get somewhat of an idea of what life was like in my MAJOR Seminary before the changes?

Catholic University of America
Washington, D.C.

Catholic University of America
Washington, D.C.
Chemistry Building, a.k.a. Maloney Hall

Back in those days, there over 300 Religious Houses and Monasteries within walking distance of C.U.A., the Catholic University of America.

Basilica of the
National Shrine of the Immaculate Conception

The Basilica of the National Shrine of the Immaculate Conception is located in the North Eastern part of Washington, D.C. in an area that used to be called “Little Rome” because, back in those days, there were over 300 Religious Houses and Monasteries which were in walking distance of it and the C.U.A. - Catholic University of America - where many Students took Classes.

Basilica of the National Shrine
of the Immaculate Conception
Gibbons Hall of the Catholic University of America
is on the right (East) side in the above photograph

The Basilica of the National Shrine of the Immaculate Conception is on the far West side of the Catholic University of America, but still on the same grounds as the C.U.A.


In summary, when I was in the pre-Vatican 2 MAJOR Roman Catholic Seminary, I was given to understand that everything they did was what had always been done in MAJOR Roman Catholic Seminaries in the United States from the beginning and which was also consistent with what was done in MAJOR Roman Catholic Seminaries in Western Europe for centuries, especially after the Decrees of the Nineteenth Œcumenical Council, the First Synod of Trent - [Thursday, December 13, 1545 A.D. - Wednesday, December 4, 1563 A.D.] were put into place and obeyed with but perhaps a few very minor variations.


Thus, just a very few of my own personal experiences back in what was, for the most part, the “good old days”, before most of the changes in the Roman Catholic MAJOR Seminaries.

But the “good old days” did not last, which is why I am forced to have to agree with the above author of the article reproduced in the first above section on the MINOR Seminaries, where he concludes with:

“The Vatican II documents are classic modernist claptrap of the type St. Pius X condemned in Pascendi: Catholic-sounding on one page, doctrinally subversive on the next. This was method and intention of the periti [theologians] — Rahner, Schillebeeckx, de Lubac, Congar and, yes, Ratzinger [N.B. now Pope Benedict 16th]— who massaged the language of the texts as they were being written.”
“If we wish to restore the Catholic priesthood, the only ‘light’ in which we should
‘interpret’ the Vatican II documents should be that of a bonfire — in which we burn every single copy.”

Historical Statistics of over 45 Years
of Planned Chaos and Destruction
By their fruits you shall know them. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit, and the evil tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can an evil tree bring forth good fruit.” (Matthew 7:15-17).

Given the foregoing, it should be plain that the fruits of Synod Vatican 2 are rotten.  Here are some of its historically rotten fruits:

From 1965 to 1973, between 22,000 and 25,000 Priests left the Priesthood.

Today, this figure has reached over 110,000.

In addition, 157,000 out of 365,000, or about 43%, of what were once Roman Catholic parishes have no resident Priest.

In 1970 there were 1,003,670 women Religious with perpetual or provisional vows; in 1992 that number was down to 655,031 (cf. “In the Murky Waters of Vatican II”, ISBN 0-89555-636-7).

The 1998 edition of the Official Catholic Directory of .Satanic..Synod Vatican 2 the U.S. revealed that the number of seminarians was only 1,700, a decline of almost 97% from the 1965 figure of 48,992.

In countries such as France and Holland the percentage of Catholics going to the .Satanic..Synod Vatican 2 pseudo-church..New mass each Sunday has declined to a single digit.  In the U.S., attendance at .Satanic..Synod Vatican 2 pseudo-churches.. has steadily declined from 71% in 1963 to 25% percent in 1993, a decrease of 65%.

Newsweek polls and surveys show that only 15% of the members of the .Satanic..Synod Vatican 2 pseudo-church.. believe they should always obey the teachings of their church.

Almost as many .Satanic..Synod Vatican 2 pseudo-church.. catholics think abortion is permissible, just as do non-Catholics, and 75% of the members of the  .Satanic..Synod Vatican 2 pseudo-church.. disagree with their church on what it teaches in regard to the forbidding of divorce and contraception.

Another study revealed that only 25% of  .Satanic..Synod Vatican 2 pseudo-church.. “catholics”  now believe in the Real Presence of Jesus Christ in the Holy Eucharist and only 50% of .Satanic..Synod Vatican 2 pseudo-church..priests still believe in the Real Presence.
Who could possibly claim that there is not a terrible crisis of Faith, especially in what used to be Roman Catholic Churches, now illegally operated and owned by the .Satanic..Synod Vatican 2 pseudo-church?

Such are some of the rotten fruits of .Satanic..Synod Vatican 2 pseudo-church!

In case you missed it, here are a few similar facts of how By their fruits you shall know them:

An Index of Catholicism’s Decline

A Review by Pat Buchanan

As the Watergate scandal of 1973-1974 diverted attention from the far greater tragedy unfolding in Southeast Asia, so, too, the scandal of predator-priests now afflicting the Catholic Church may be covering up a far greater calamity.

Thirty-seven years after the end of the only church council of the 20th century, the jury has come in with its verdict: Vatican II appears to have been an unrelieved disaster for Roman Catholicism.

Liars may figure, but figures do not lie. Kenneth C. Jones of St. Louis has pulled together a slim volume of statistics he has titled Index of Leading Catholic Indicators: The Church Since Vatican II.

His findings make prophets of Catholic traditionalists who warned that Vatican II would prove a blunder of historic dimensions, and those same findings expose as foolish and naive those who believed a council could reconcile Catholicism and modernity. When [2nd] Pope John XXIII threw open the windows of the church, all the poisonous vapors of modernity entered, along with the Devil himself.

Index of Leading Catholic Indicators:
The Church Since Vatican II

Here are Jones's grim statistics of Catholicism's decline:


While the number of priests in the United States more than doubled to 58,000, between 1930 and 1965, since then that number has fallen to 45,000. By 2020, there will be only 31,000 priests left, and more than half of these priests will be over 70.


In 1965, 1,575 new priests were ordained in the United States. In 2002, the number was 450. In 1965, only 1 percent of U.S. parishes were without a priest. Today, there are 3,000 priestless parishes, 15 percent of all U.S. parishes.


Between 1965 and 2002, the number of seminarians dropped from 49,000 to 4,700, a decline of over 90 percent. Two-thirds of the 600 seminaries that were operating in 1965 have now closed.


In 1965, there were 180,000 Catholic nuns. By 2002, that had fallen to 75,000 and the average age of a Catholic nun is today 68. In 1965, there were 104,000 teaching nuns. Today, there are 8,200, a decline of 94 percent since the end of Vatican II.

Religious Orders.

For religious orders in America, the end is in sight.

In 1965, 3,559 young men were studying to become Jesuit priests. In 2000, the figure was 389.

With the Christian Brothers, the situation is even more dire. Their number has shrunk by two-thirds, with the number of seminarians falling 99 percent. In 1965, there were 912 seminarians in the Christian Brothers. In 2000, there were only seven.

The number of young men studying to become Franciscan and Redemptorist priests fell from 3,379 in 1965 to 84 in 2000.

Catholic schools.

Almost half of all Catholic high schools in the United States have closed since 1965. The student population has fallen from 700,000 to 386,000. Parochial schools suffered an even greater decline. Some 4,000 have disappeared, and the number of pupils attending has fallen below 2 million -- from 4.5 million.

Though the number of U.S. Catholics has risen by 20 million since 1965, Jones' statistics show that the power of Catholic belief and devotion to the Faith are not nearly what they were.

Catholic Marriage.

Catholic marriages have fallen in number by one-third since 1965, while the annual number of annulments has soared from 338 in 1968 to 50,000 in 2002.

Attendance at Mass.

A 1958 Gallup Poll reported that three in four Catholics attended church on Sundays. A recent study by the University of Notre Dame found that only one in four now attend.

Only 10 percent of lay religious teachers now accept church teaching on contraception.

Fifty-three percent believe a Catholic can have an abortion and remain a good Catholic.

Sixty-five percent believe that Catholics may divorce and remarry.

Seventy-seven percent believe one can be a good Catholic without going to mass on Sundays.

By one New York Times poll, 70 percent of all Catholics in the age group 18 to 44 believe the Eucharist is merely a "symbolic reminder" of Jesus.

At the opening of Vatican II, reformers were all the rage.

They were going to lead us out of our Catholic ghettos by altering the liturgy, rewriting the Bible and missals, abandoning the old traditions, making us more ecumenical, and engaging the world.

And their legacy?

Four decades of devastation wrought upon the church, and the final disgrace of a hierarchy that lacked the moral courage of the Boy Scouts to keep the perverts out of the seminaries, and throw them out of the rectories and schools of Holy Mother Church.

Through the papacy of Pius XII, the church resisted the clamor to accommodate itself to the world and remained a moral beacon to mankind. Since Vatican II, the church has sought to meet the world halfway.

Jones' statistics tell us the price of appeasement.


The Blessing
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R. Ex hoc nunc, et usque in saeculum.
V. Adjutorium nostrum in
Nomine Domini.
R. Qui fecit cœlum et terram.
V. Benedicat vos, Omnipotens Deus:
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R. Amen.
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R. Now and for ever more.x
V. Our help is in the Name of the Lord.
R. Who made Heaven and earth.
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R. Amen.

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The Memorare
Remember, O most gracious Virgin Mary, that never was it known that anyone who fled to thy protection, implored thy help or sought thy intercession, was left unaided. Inspired by this confidence, I fly unto thee, O Virgin of virgins, my Mother. To thee do I come; before thee I stand, sinful and sorrowful. O Mother of the Word Incarnate despise not my petitions, but in thy mercy hear and answer me. Amen. 
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