http://www.traditionalcatholicmass.com/home-m1940.html

A Public Letter to All Catholics
by
Catacomb Roman Catholics
..

Holy Thursday, 1983
2 Brief Excerpts of
The Roman Catholic Easter Sunday Mass in 1941
.

Brief Video of A Congregation On Easter Sunday, 1941
Who Were Present for the Roman Catholic Mass
Please Click on Photo for Video
1 Minute, 37 Seconds

Brief Video of an Ancient Roman Rite
Traditional Catholic Solemn High Mass
Beginning Prayers at the Foot of the Altar
39 Seconds
WHY  We Are
The Roman Catholics of Easter Sunday in 1941
Today:
a.k.a.
Catacomb Roman Catholics”
 

Contents


Introduction

Editorial Introduction

Why  is “Tradition” a big deal for Catacomb Roman Catholics”?

How Catacomb Roman Catholics” Hold the “Traditions”

How Catacomb Roman Catholics” Live a  Traditional Roman Catholic Life

“The Church makes the rules, so the Church can change the rules!”

 
A Brief History of real  valid Catacomb  Roman Catholic Priests and Bishops

“You Have To Obey the Pope” Fallacy!

The Prophecy of Archbishop Sheen

Who Are Those Partly Responsible For This Depravity?

A Commentary on the Three Traditional Catholic Groups

“Traditional” Catholics - Group # 1, The  Popitis Traditional” Catholics

Fallacies

“Traditional” Catholics - Group # 2, The Confused Traditional” Catholics

“Traditional” Catholics - Group # 3, The Sedevacantist Catholics

A Brief Review of a Papal Sede Vacante

A Few Videos, Photos, and Graphics

Traditional Roman Catholic Masses

Laws on the Mass

The New Mass

New Mass Videos

A Few Prophecies

Miscellaneous Data

The Blessing

The Memorare



Introduction

Dear Fellow Catholics:

We hope this Letter to all Catholics, most especially the Catholic Laity, will help you to better understand why we think, believe, and do, certain things, and why, today, we are Catacomb Roman Catholics”.

We are not some anonymous group of elitists, who consider ourselves to be better than anyone else, disconnected from the world of reality, but, on the contrary, we are merely ordinary Catholic Laity who are in the unique position of being able to share a few of our own real personal experiences and knowledge with you which most Catholics, especially those of you who have been born after 1950, and especially after 1960, simply do not have.

This is why the host and editor of this website has a special webpage for you, which is well worth your time to read.  It is at:  http://www.traditionalcatholicmass.com/home-mn-052.html

Each of us has prayed and researched what has happened to the Roman Catholic Church.  Because of this, we describe ourselves as:   The Roman Catholics of Easter Sunday in 1941; Today: a.k.a., Catacomb Roman Catholics. and in what follows, more simply, as:  “Catacomb Roman Catholics”.

Why?  Because that was the date on which the 2 above brief video clips of that full-length movie were made of the Roman Catholic Mass.

We now share with you, the Reader, the results of some of our prayerful research which provides those of you who are reading this Letter with some very basic, and some very, very important and incontrovertible facts, historical data, and basic Truths which you, also, can discover for yourself!  Nothing which follows is a Secret!

LEX ORANDI, LEX CREDENDI

“All ceremonies are Professions of Faith, in which the interior worship of God consists.  Now man can make profession of his inward faith, by deeds as well as by words; and in either profession, if he makes a false declaration, he sins mortally... Consequently, just as it would be a mortal sin now for anyone, in making a profession of faith, to say that Christ is yet to be born, which the fathers of old said devoutly and Truthfully; so too, it would be a mortal sin now to observe those ceremonies which the fathers of old fulfilled with devotion and fidelity. Such is the teaching of Augustine (Contra Faust. xix.16).”  (Saint Thomas Aquinas, O.P., [b. 1225 A.D. in Rocca Secca, Naples, Italy - d. Wednesday, March 7, 1274 A.D. in Fossa Nuova, Italy], Doctor of the Church: “Angelic Doctor”, “Common Doctor”; “Summa Theologica”, Part I-II, Question 103, Article 4.).

The very fact that “All ceremonies are Professions of Faith, in which the interior worship of God consists” (Saint Thomas Aquinas, O.P., “Summa Theologica”, Part I-II, Question 103, Article 4), is the theological and liturgical basis for the axiom, previously anticipated over 800 years before then, by the Roman Catholic Pope Saint Celestine I [Saturday, September 10, 422  - Tuesday, July 27, 432] who taught the principle:  Legem Credendi Lex Statuit Supplicandi [The Liturgical form of prayer becomes the standard of Faith.].

This is sometimes shortened to simply Lex Orandi, Lex CredendiThe Law of Praying is the Law of Believing.  This simply means that you declare, by a public, exterior liturgical act of worship, both your own personal interior beliefs of your faith and your own personal interior worship of God, externally expressed in public worship ceremonies.  Thus, you pray what you believe, and you believe what you pray.

But how could the Infallible Roman Catholic Pope, Celestine I, teach this profound theological and liturgical axiom IF there were two or more contradictory liturgical rites in his days?

The first being, as we have already explained above: The Roman Catholic Easter Sunday Mass in 1941, which today, in the 21st Century, is more frequently called The Traditional Roman Catholic Mass, or more simply, The Traditional Mass.

This specific Rite of The Traditional Roman Catholic Mass .contains the unchangeable.Ontological Essence.and the unchangeable.Metaphysical Essence.of the Mass which Jesus Christ, the Eternal High Priest, had perfectly instituted during the First Mass on Holy Thursday.

Historically,  The Roman Catholic Easter Sunday Mass in 1941, was Offered by the Mass Celebrant (in this case a Roman Catholic Priest) on a Roman Catholic “Altar” facing God, as a Mediator between God and mankind - with his back to the people on whose behalf he is mediating for them with Almighty God.

The second being the totally Protestant “non-mass” (an “anti-mass”) which was imperfectly instituted by finite men who, anticipating the axiom of Martin Luther:

Tolle Missam, Tolle Ecclesiam” - Take away the Mass, and you Destroy the Church,

deliberately discarded the unchangeable.Ontological Essence.and the unchangeable.Metaphysical Essence.of the Mass which Jesus Christ, the Eternal High Priest, had perfectly instituted during the First Mass on Holy Thursday, and replaced these required essential essences with only an “anti-mass” - a mere memorial supper meal which is performed by the “President of the Assembly” on a “table” facing the people with his back to Almighty God - thus ignoring God!

Sad to say, unlike the days of the Infallible Roman Catholic Pope, Saint Celestine I [Saturday, September 10, 422  - Tuesday, July 27, 432 ], in which there was only ONE Liturgical Rite for the Roman Catholic Mass in terms of its unchangeable.Ontological Essence. and its unchangeable .Metaphysical Essence, today there are two or more “competing masses” and hence, by definition - de facto - two or more different “churches”.

The first Church contains the unchangeable.Ontological Essence.and the unchangeable .Metaphysical Essence.of the Mass which Jesus Christ, the Eternal High Priest, had perfectly instituted during the First Mass on Holy Thursday.

Today, this Mass is found in the Roman Catholic Church which still preserves, and still uses, unchanged, the exact same Roman Catholic Easter Sunday Mass of 1941,  even though it is in the Modern-Day Catacombs!

The second being the totally Protestantnon-mass” (an “anti-mass”) which was imperfectly instituted by finite men who accepted and used the axiom of Martin Luther - “Tolle Missam, Tolle Ecclesiam” - Take away the Mass, and you Destroy the Church.  This explains why they deliberately threw out the unchangeable .Ontological Essence. and the unchangeable .Metaphysical Essence. of the Mass as Jesus Christ, the Eternal High Priest, had perfectly instituted it.

Today, this “NEW mass”, which is actually - de facto - a modernized, updated, synthesized 16th Century Protestant “non-mass” (an “anti-mass”) is found in the.anti-Catholic. Satanic. Synod. Vatican  2. pseudo-church. of .automatically. excommunicated. Apostates. and. Modernist. Heretics, and .NEW. Theology. Heretics, which has illegally confiscated the church buildings which used to belong to the Roman Catholic Church (hence one of the reasons why the Roman Catholic Church has been forced to descend into the Catacombs), consists of only an updated 16th Century Protestant memorial supper meal which is performed by the “President of the Assembly” on a “table” facing the people with his back to Almighty God.

Father Barbara writes explaining how this Law of Believing is the Law of Praying works today:

“The liturgy is the Faith lived by the Faithful.  Heretical speculations disturb simple people but little, for they are, for the most part, not aware of the theological theories.  On the other hand, however, all of the faithful--children and adults, simple people and intellectuals--are alike formed (or deformed) by the formulas of prayer which they recite, by the singing and the music they hear, by the devotions which they practice, by the readings and commentaries to which they listen, by the form of worship which they live:  in a word, by the liturgy in which they take part.  This is why heretics all down the ages have always sought to make use of the liturgy, because they have seen in it the easiest and most effective means of giving currency to their errors, and of changing the faith of the people in the direction of their [subtle] innovations.”  (Fr. Noel Barbara, Fortes in Fide, “The Mass”.)

Martin Luther knew this and is alleged to have taught the principle: “Tolle Missam, Tolle Ecclesiam” - “Take away the Mass, and you Destroy the Church!”  And when heretics apply this heretical axiom of Luther to the process of gradualism - making these changes gradually, not all at once - they have great success as the past 50 years have proven!

Why does this process of gradual deception work?

By seeing everything, we finally tolerate anything, and tolerating anything finally leads us to approve everything.”  (Bishop Saint Augustine, a.k.a. Aurelius Augustinus [b. Tagaste, Africa, Saturday, November 13, 354 A.D. - d. Hippo Regia, Africa, Wednesday, August 28, 430 A.D.], Bishop of Hippo Regia, Father and Doctor of the Catholic Church, the Doctor of Grace,, secondary source, Father Noel Barbara, magazine Fortes in Fide, Volume 1, No. 3, p. 156, footnote # 11.)

This is exactly WHAT the anti-Catholic infiltrators into the Roman Catholic Church did in the previous century with the Mass and this is WHY they were so successful in destroying, first the Mass, and then the Church!

“Why does the Mass keep changing?  Here is the answer...  It would have been foolhardy to introduce all the changes at once.  It was obviously wise to change gradually and gently.  If all the changes had been introduced together, you would have been shocked. [Not to mention the fact that the changes would never have been accepted!].” (John Carmel Cardinal Heenan [b. at Ilford, England on Thursday, January 26, 1905 - d. at Westminster, England, on Friday, November 7, 1975], Lenten Pastoral Letter, October 12, 1969; emphasis added.)

So now, today, in 2018 A.D., We see - with exceptions - the sad spectacle of brainwashed Catholics who have been so viciously victimized that they do not even have a clue (with some exceptions) that they no longer have a.valid.and lawful Roman Catholic Rite of Mass and that are no longer attending a Roman Catholic Church, even though the church buildings, in most cases, are still the same buildings in which we, their Grandparents and Parents, attended a.valid.and lawful Roman Catholic Rite of Mass, such as the one Offered throughout the entire Roman Catholic Church on Easter Sunday in 1941.

This was long before the Convention of anti-Catholic infiltrators that began in 1962 and which is called “Synod Vatican 2", a.k.a. “Council Vatican 2", and that they are no longer “Catholics” - except in name only.  In other words:  they are NOT Catholics:  in regard to their Faith, in regard to their Mass, and  in regard to their Sacraments - all of which are now anti-Catholic!

Instead, they are actual members of the Synod Vatican 2 pseudo-church!   It was all done so easily because of their own gross ignorance of, and/or culpable indifference towards, their unchangeable One, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic, Faith!  This is their punishment!

Because anyone can say anything, please consider these two documents to help you to better understand their heresies.  Ironically, the first one was on an Easter Sunday, 28 years after the real Roman Catholic Mass was Offered in all Roman Catholic Churches in 1941, as shown in the two brief videos at the top of this web page:

(**  “The Lord’s Supper is the assembly or gathering together of the people of God, with a priest PRESIDING, to celebrate the memorial of the lord.  [12]” [“The General Instruction and The New Order of Mass”, ICEL - International Committee on English in the Liturgy - Sacred Congregation of Rites Decree, Easter Sunday, April 6, 1969, promulgated by Benno Walter Cardinal Gut, O.S.B. [b. at Reiden, a municipality in the district of Willisau, in the canton of Lucerne, Switzerland, on Thursday, April 1, 1897 A.D. - d. at Rome, Italy on Tuesday, December 8, 1970 A.D.], Prefect of the Sacred Congregation of Rites, and the President of the Consilium ad exequdam Constitutionem de Sacra Liturgia - Consilium for implementing the Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy, Chapter II, ¶ 7; emphasis added.  N.B.:  A President “presides”.]
“Moreover, the prayers addressed to God by the priest who presides over the assembly in the person of Christ are said in the name of the entire holy people and of all present.  And the visible signs used by the liturgy to signify invisible divine things have been chosen by Christ or the Church.  Thus not only when things are read `which were written for our instruction’ [Rom. 15:4], but also when the Church prays or sings or acts, the faith of those taking part is nourished and their minds are raised to God, so that they may offer Him their rational service and more abundantly receive His grace.”  (Constitution on the Liturgy, ¶ 33; emphasis added.  N.B.:  The term “the priest who presides over the assembly” makes him the “President of the Assembly”.  In other words,  the “President of the Assembly” is the one “who presides over the assembly” no matter who that person is, whether a “priest” or a “non-priest”.)
As Archbishop Peter (Fulton J.) Sheen [b. at El Paso, Illinois, Peoria Diocese, on Wednesday, May 8, 1895 A.D. - d. Sunday, December 9, 1979 A.D.] once said:
“If you don’t behave as you believe, you will end by believing as you behave.”
In summary:
We are Catacomb Roman Catholics who believe today, the same exact Truths of the Roman Catholic Faith which we believed when we attended the Roman Catholic Easter Sunday Mass in 1941, which was Offered in all of the various local Roman Catholic Parish Churches in 1941!
We have NOT changed!

We remain Roman Catholics, despite all of the Infiltrators who have invaded the Roman Catholic Church, especially before, during, and after, what has now become the .anti-Catholic. Satanic. Synod. Vatican  2. pseudo-church. of .automatically. excommunicated. Apostates. and. Modernist. Heretics, and .NEW. Theology. Heretics..because that which made us Roman Catholics on Easter Sunday in 1941, is what still makes us Roman Catholics today, even though we are now in a Modern-Day Catacombs and are, therefore, by circumstances: Catacomb Roman Catholics”.

A word to the wise is sufficient.  An ocean of words to the foolish is a waste of time.

Thank you for reading this Introduction to our Letter.

God Bless All of You!

Catacomb Roman Catholics”



Father Joaquin Sáenz y Arriaga, S.J.

P.S.:  Some of us were so very fortunate to have attended the First Convention of Catacomb Roman Catholics in Perrysburg, Ohio (a suburb of Toledo, Ohio) in 1973, where the keynote speaker was Father Joaquin Sáenz y Arriaga, S.J., PhD., Th. D., J.C.D., whose fantastic speech frequently brought intense applause, with a final session of standing with intense applause for many minutes at the end of his most memorable speech!  Father Sáenz, S.J., who was from Mexico, was accompanied by Mr. Anacleto González Flores, the President of the Union of Trent, an organization of Catacomb Roman Catholics in Mexico. Father Sáenz, S.J. wrote a number of very informative Catholic books.which “Catacomb Roman Catholics”  have found to be helpful.




Editorial Introduction

Dear Readers,

The following Letter was most unexpected and very unusual since the Catacomb Roman Catholic Laity usually prefer private, rather than public, communication on a subject of this nature.

We respectfully thank the special group of The Roman Catholics of Easter Sunday in 1941; Today: a.k.a., Catacomb Roman Catholics, hereinafter identified only as:  “Catacomb Roman Catholics”, for this opportunity to provide some observations and commentaries on some areas of interest, not only to them, but to all Catholics.

This very unique group of “Catacomb Roman Catholics” includes both men and women who have spent many years doing their own individual research concerning the changes of the changes of the changes in the Catholic Church.  Although they still continue to do their research, their current focus is trying to share what their own research and study has uncovered, or otherwise revealed, about the many changes, and the data related to these many changes.

The authors of this letter are trying to speak to ordinary Catholic Laity in more simple, and less technical,  terminology, although, by nature, some subject matter tends to require at least a specific term when needed.  Readers who want proof for various statements, observations, etc., are respectfully referred to the Contents Page of this web site with the relevant links which provide such proof, etc.

The Contents Page is at:   http://www.traditionalcatholicmass.com/home-m03.html

In addition, We have also been requested to provide graphics, plus links which define, and/or explain, some important terms concerning which the average Catholic Laity are not familiar.

The same procedure has also been requested concerning providing some links to some web pages for those Readers who may want a more detailed explanation concerning such things as certain:  terminology, issues, historical data, etc.  We were asked to provide some assistance in the more technical areas.

We were also requested to provide, when available, the complete identification of certain sources from which they have quoted, including the dates of birth and death of the original authors, the full title of the referenced quote(s), etc.

Obviously, one public letter is very limited in terms of the subject matter which it can cover, even briefly. Nevertheless, this does not detract from its importance.

We hope and pray that this Letter will be helpful for all sincere Catholics, most of whom have very little, if any, knowledge, of the historical events, and other data, referenced, and/or found, in the following Letter.

Some Readers may want to take notes, or perhaps to print certain sections of this Letter, or to download this entire web page, for future reference.

Thank you in advance for.prayerfully reading.the following most exciting, interesting, and informative, Letter of  “Catacomb Roman Catholics”, which contains many objective facts which the majority of Catholics today simply do not know because they have never been taught these facts, or have never had an opportunity to learn about them in other ways.

Most Readers will be amazed at.how they have been deliberately kept in the dark.concerning many of these things!  It is like there is another different, but entire, Roman Catholic world, that exists of which they had known nothing - until NOW!

God Bless You!  Thank you for reading!

Patriarch Jacobus Maria DeJesus, D.D.


Why  is “Tradition” A Big Deal For Catacomb Roman Catholics”?


The first issue is “Tradition”.  Why.is “Tradition” a big deal for Catacomb Roman Catholics”?  Here is what the Bible says:

"Therefore, Brethren, stand fast; and hold the Traditions which you have learned, whether by Word or by Our Epistle."  (2 Thessalonians 2:14.)

By the Grace of God, this is what we Catacomb Roman Catholics” try to do every day.  Therefore, this is why.we, and other Catholics, are:  Catacomb Roman Catholics who are faithful to Tradition, as the Holy Apostle Saint Paul and Bishop Saint Epiphanius teach:





 
How  Catacomb Roman Catholics” Hold the “Traditions

The second issue is how.we,Catacomb Roman Catholics”, hold the “Traditions”.

1.  In our Church Life:  we are “Traditional”.

This means we attend only real.valid.Traditional Roman Catholic Masses offered by real.valid. Catacomb Roman Catholic Priests and Bishops who are “Traditional”.

This also means we receive only real.valid.Sacraments administered only by real.valid. Catacomb Roman Catholic Priests and Bishops who are “Traditional”.

2.  In our Spiritual Life: we are Catacomb Roman Catholics who are “Traditional”.

This means we pray only “Traditional” prayers of the Roman Catholic Church as they were before the changes began and before prayer books were re-written by the .automatically. excommunicated. Apostates. and. Modernist. Heretics, and .NEW. Theology. Heretics.

Same for reading “Traditional Roman Catholic” books before they, also, were re-written by some of the .automatically. excommunicated. Apostates. and. Modernist. Heretics, and .NEW. Theology. Heretics.

Likewise, we keep the “Traditional Roman Catholic” Devotions before they were changed.  Example:  we use the real Rosary as it was before fake and phony, .automatically. excommunicated. Apostate. and. Modernist. Heretic, .JP-2.destroyed the Rosary.

Same in reference to.Communist Liberation Theologian F-1.who changed the “Our Father”!

How  Catacomb Roman Catholics” Live a  Traditional Roman Catholic Life

Among other things - We Catacomb Roman Catholics:

1.  By the Grace of God - Obey the.10 Commandments.and the.6 Commandments of the Church.

2.  Attend only real.Traditional Roman Catholic Masses which are only those.valid.Masses offered by real.valid.Catacomb Roman Catholic Priests and Bishops.

3.  Use only real.Catacomb Roman Catholic.“Traditional”.Missals printed at least before 1950, or reprinted since then.

4.  Use the ONLY Modern English Catechism approved by the Roman Catholic Church for Adult Catholics which is the official edition of - The Catechism of the Council of Trent.  .It is the one which  was translated by John A. McHugh, O.P., S.T.M., Litt.D., and Charles J. Callan, O.P., S.T.M., Litt.D., with the required .Imprimatur. by + Patrick Cardinal Joseph Hayes, D.D., Archbishop of New York, Wednesday, January 3, 1923.

5.  Teach our Children only the Traditional Roman Catholic Faith.

6.  Say our Traditional Roman Catholic.Morning and Evening Prayers.and.Blessing Before, and Thanksgiving After, Meals.

7.  Daily Recite the.Traditional Roman Catholic Holy Rosary as it was before it was changed.

8.  Always Wear the Traditional Roman Catholic Brown Scapular.

9.  Daily - frequently use Holy Water made only by.real.valid.Catacomb Roman Catholic Priests and Bishops.

10.  Read only Traditional Roman Catholic books printed before 1950 (except for later reprints).

11.  Read the Douay-Rheims Bible, with the required Imprimatur - given on September 1, 1899.

12.  Read books on the Spiritual Life; Church History; Changes to the Roman Catholic Faith, Mass, and Sacraments,  etc., printed before 1950. (except for later reprints), and except for later books which examine, explain, and/or reveal the problems with the updated Catholic Faith, Mass, and Sacraments which are not Traditional.

13.  By the Grace of God, we practice the.Spiritual and Corporal Works of Mercy.

14.  Make an.Examination of Conscience.before we go to Confession.

15.  Before we go to bed, we make an.Examination of Conscience.every evening, followed by.An Act of Contrition.

16.  Etc., etc.


The Church makes the rules, so the Church can change the rules!”
..
How many times have our own Children, and even Grandchildren, repeated this infamous canard (a hoax):
The Church makes the rules, so the Church can change the rules!”?
First, a brief analysis of this sentence:

“The Church makes the rules.........!”

First questionWhich Church?

Catholics would logically think that this Church is the Catholic Church.

IF this question had been asked on Easter Sunday, 1941, with this answer in reply:   The  Catholic Church, it would have been, more precisely, The Roman Catholic Church.

However, IF this question had been asked on Easter Sunday, 2018, based upon the objective Truths and Principles of  Lex Orandi, Lex Credendi, the answer would have been:

1.  Catacomb Roman CatholicsBecause they attend only the Traditional Roman Catholic Rite of Mass, their answer would have been:  The Roman Catholic Church.

2.  Horribly brainwashed, woefully ignorant, pseudo-Catholics:  Because they attend only the .NEW pseudo-massThe Novus Ordo Missae, a.k.a., The NEW mass, a.k.a., The Novus Ordo Rite, a.k.a.,  The NOR, etc., their answer would have been: The Catholic Church.

However, based upon the objective Truths and Principles of  Lex Orandi, Lex Credendi, the above answer of the Horribly brainwashed, woefully ignorant, pseudo-Catholics: The Catholic Church, is a totally wrong answer!

Why?

Because the so-called .NEW pseudo-massThe Novus Ordo Missae, a.k.a., The NEW mass, a.k.a., The Novus Ordo Rite, a.k.a.,  The NOR, etc., is NOT The Traditional Roman Catholic Mass of 1941!

Thus, the so-called .NEW pseudo-massThe Novus Ordo Missae, a.k.a., The NEW mass, a.k.a., The Novus Ordo Rite, a.k.a.,  The NOR, etc., is NOT the real.valid. Roman Catholic Rite of Mass!  The NEW mass, is NOT a CATHOLIC Mass!

Anyone can say anything.  The proof for this statement will be found on these web pages:

http://www.traditionalcatholicmass.com/home-m9.html

http://www.traditionalcatholicmass.com/home-m12.html

http://www.traditionalcatholicmass.com/home-m14.html

http://www.traditionalcatholicmass.com/home-m17.html

http://www.traditionalcatholicmass.com/home-m20.html

http://www.traditionalcatholicmass.com/home-m31.html

http://www.traditionalcatholicmass.com/home-m41.html

http://www.traditionalcatholicmass.com/home-m45.html

http://www.traditionalcatholicmass.com/home-m50.html

http://www.traditionalcatholicmass.com/home-m59.html

http://www.traditionalcatholicmass.com/home-m60.html

http://www.traditionalcatholicmass.com/home-m61.html

http://www.traditionalcatholicmass.com/home-m62.html

http://www.traditionalcatholicmass.com/home-m70.html

http://www.traditionalcatholicmass.com/home-m110.html

http://www.traditionalcatholicmass.com/home-m183.html

http://www.traditionalcatholicmass.com/home-m271.html

http://www.traditionalcatholicmass.com/home-mn-004.html

http://www.traditionalcatholicmass.com/home-mn-005.html

http://www.traditionalcatholicmass.com/home-mn-010.html

http://www.traditionalcatholicmass.com/home-mn-012.html

http://www.traditionalcatholicmass.com/home-mn-014.html

http://www.traditionalcatholicmass.com/home-mn-022.html

http://www.traditionalcatholicmass.com/home-mn-042.html

http://www.traditionalcatholicmass.com/home-mn-052.html

http://www.traditionalcatholicmass.com/home-mn-201.html

http://www.traditionalcatholicmass.com/home-mn-205.html
 

Second questionWhich rules?

http://www.traditionalcatholicmass.com/home-m12.html

http://www.traditionalcatholicmass.com/home-m17.html

http://www.traditionalcatholicmass.com/home-m25.html

http://www.traditionalcatholicmass.com/home-m36.html

ConclusionCatacomb Roman Catholics” asked the Patriarch to provide the conclusion.

Our conclusion is that this gratuitous statement of the  .automatically. excommunicated. Apostates. and. Modernist. Heretics, and .NEW. Theology. Heretics..has been parroted, or otherwise inanely repeated, by the  horribly brainwashed, woefully ignorant, pseudo-Catholics  who are victims of the  .anti-Catholic. Satanic. Synod. Vatican 2. pseudo-church. of .automatically. excommunicated. Apostates. and. Modernist. Heretics, and .NEW. Theology. Heretics!

Therefore, the said quote is merely the misleading statement of a canard bereft of all real, factual value because it has only virtually empty words covered with the cloak of wishful thinking.

It is designed to take advantage of well-meaning, but otherwise, badly brainwashed, pseudo-catholics of the pseudo-catholic pseeudo-church which, in plain English, translates as:  the  .anti-Catholic. Satanic. Synod. Vatican 2. pseudo-church. of .automatically. excommunicated. Apostates. and. Modernist. Heretics, and .NEW. Theology. Heretics, in their subtle attacks against the beautiful Truths of the One, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic Church!

In general, this infamous fallacy has attempted to legitimize the never-ending changes of the changes!

What is a fallacy?  A fallacy is any violation of a logical principle disguised under a show, or pretext, of validity.  Here are three brief examples of fallacies:

1.  A “presumptive fallacy” is a fallacy which simply presumes, supposes, postulates, pretends, assumes, and presupposes that the statement is True.

2.  The “gratuitous expression fallacy” is a fallacy by which “anyone can say anything” and not offer any proof for what is said.

3. The “ipse dixit fallacy” which means that “He, himself, said it.”  It is an arbitrary dogmatic statement which the speaker expects the listener to accept as being valid.


A Brief History of real.valid.
Catacomb Roman Catholic Priests and Bishops

We, Catacomb Roman Catholics”, have asked Patriarch Jacobus Maria DeJesus, D.D. to relate a few of his own very personal experiences with real.valid.Catacomb Roman Catholic Priests and Bishops.



Father “R” in Private and in Public
A real.valid.Catacomb Roman Catholic Priest in Private
But a .Synod. Vatican.2. pseudo-church..priest in Public

Many, many decades ago, a personal friend of Ours, whom We visited from time to time over several decades, decided to tell Us his personal position concerning the changes in the Roman Catholic Church.

Our personal friend, Father “R”, who had been Ordained a Roman Catholic Priest in the 1920’s, felt the need to try to justify his position during one of Our visits with him.  We were very surprised at his very unexpected attempt at self-defense, because We never once asked him to justify his position for remaining in what We identify as the:  de facto .anti-Catholic. Satanic. Synod. Vatican  2. pseudo-church. of .automatically. excommunicated. Apostates. and. Modernist. Heretics, and .NEW. Theology. Heretics.

For many years before then, We had respected his privacy in this regard.  Our position was that such an intelligent Priest as was Father “R”, not to mention the fact that he was also a Canon Lawyer and a Doctor of Theology, and who was a well-respected official member of the local Diocesan Tribunal, would be well aware of his own personal Spiritual and Juridical situation, and who most certainly did not need the likes of Us telling him about the ecclesiastical quagmire into which he had been insidiously thrown by the local "Judas population"!

Our position was that, ultimately, it was really a juridical case between him and the good God.  But why now after so many years of silence on this issue?  It was like he was trying to plead his case before Our Ecclesiastical Tribunal.

Of course Father “R” was not getting younger!  Therefore, within this context, it seemed obvious to Us that his conscience was really bothering him and, to some extent, he was somewhat "jealous" of Us because We, being 100%, totally independent, of the  de facto .anti-Catholic. Satanic. Synod. Vatican  2. pseudo-church, were not "locked  into" his personal  egregious predicament.

Father “R” was a very good Priest and greatly respected.  But then the  .anti-Catholic. Satanic. Synod. Vatican  2. came along, and Father “R” was entrapped in that nightmare situation, along with all of the other Roman Catholic Priests and Prelates.

Such “good Priests and Prelates” had some very hard choices and decisions to make.  We remember how a number of Bishops, upon their return to the U.S.A., after the close of Synod Vatican 2, were so condemned by their own conscience, that they committed suicide!

Of course, you will not read about this horrible tragedy in any newspaper or magazine, or even on any internet web page, except this page.  Our source is another Bishop who personally knew a number of these Bishops who committed suicide!  As usual, the Vatican covered it up and paid unknown sums of money to keep the press silent.  Wasn't Jolly John wonderful?!

Without Our officially adjudicating his case, but nevertheless, still undaunted, Father "R" attempted to exculpate his case by telling Us some of the problems all of the Roman Catholic Clergy in that diocese had concerning the blatant brainwashing sessions all of the Priests in that Diocese were required to attend.

Father “R” told Us how he, and all of the Priests in that local Diocese, were required, under penalty of having their pensions taken away, along with other things, to attend what Father “R” called "brainwashing sessions" in which they were brainwashed by .automatically. excommunicated. Apostates. and. Modernist. Heretics, and .NEW. Theology. Heretics.

Father “R” told Us some of the terrible things they were “taught” and, if they refused to comply with all of these Synod Vatican 2 evils, they would be fired!  Father “R” also told Us that he, and most other Priests, “hated” their apostate, heretic Communist “bishop”, but they did not know what else to do but to stay in that Communist church!  Thus, the terrible plight of Father “R”, R.I.P.  So very sad!  Some of those good Catholic Priests committed suicide, rather than do the evils their bishop required them to do!  Fortunately, Father “R” never committed suicide.  The meager money he  made from the stock market helped him to survive financially.



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A Cropped Photo Showing Only a Few of the Catacomb Roman Catholic Priests and Bishops
Who Attended One of the Catacomb Roman Catholic “Clergy Conferences”
Which Invited the Catholic Laity to Attend a Public Session In Order to Ask Questions, etc.

By the Most Holy Will and Grace of God, the real.valid.Catacomb Roman Catholic Priests and Bishops, in various places around the U.S.A., and also in other countries, did correspond to the Grace of God, and did leave the de facto .anti-Catholic. Satanic. Synod. Vatican  2. pseudo-church, and took some of their parishioners with them.  This was the beginning of the 20th Century Catacombs for the Faithful Catacomb Roman Catholics, who were later mis-identified as “Traditional Catholics”.

At first, the 20th Century Catacomb Roman Catholic Laity rented halls for the Traditional Roman Catholic Sunday Mass, and also for the Traditional Roman Catholic Sacraments of Penance and Holy Communion.

Eventually, some of the more wealthy parishioners purchased buildings (a few bought some of the many newly closed.anti-Catholic. Satanic. Synod. Vatican  2. pseudo-church. buildings), as places for the Traditional Roman Catholic Sunday Mass, and also for the Administration of the Traditional Roman Catholic Sacraments of Penance and Holy Communion.

Historically, most of the empty church buildings of the.anti-Catholic. Satanic. Synod. Vatican  2. pseudo-church. were bought by Baptists and other Protestants, although We were told that some of them were purchased as places of business and used as pool halls, barns, horse stables, topless bars, etc.!

Eventually, some of the real.valid.Catacomb Roman Catholic Priests and Bishops began to have meetings, called “Clergy Conferences”, with other real.valid.Catacomb Roman Catholic Priests and Bishops, for moral support and encouragement, and also for news and updates as to what the .anti-Catholic. Satanic. Synod. Vatican  2. pseudo-church. was doing in Rome and elsewhere.

By the Most Holy Will and Grace of God, We, also, were able, and so very fortunate, to attend such “Clergy Conferences” and to meet with some of the other real.valid.Catacomb Roman Catholic Priests and Bishops.  All present were very dedicated Catacomb Roman Catholic Priests and Bishops.

Sometimes, after the conclusion of one of these “Clergy Conferences” of real.valid.Catacomb Roman Catholic Priests and Bishops, a Traditional Roman Catholic Mass was publicly Offered for all Catholics in that area who wanted to attend it.  This public Traditional Roman Catholic Mass was then immediately followed by a public meeting which was held for the Catholic Laity.

At this public meeting, after the Maas, the Catholic Laity could ask whatever questions the Catholic Laity had concerning the changes of the changes, etc., in their local ex-Catholic churches, and then, after this public meeting, to personally, and privately, meet with, and talk with, one or more of the Catacomb Roman Catholic Priests and Bishops in attendance.

It was very interesting how, time, and time again, whenever an announcement was placed in the local newspaper, of whichever city where one of the “Clergy Conferences” of the Catacomb Roman Catholic Priests and Bishops, was to be held, which included the actual day and time for when the Traditional Roman Catholic Mass would be publicly Offered, and the statement that all Catholics were welcomed to attend, and also that all Catholics were invited to remain after the conclusion of the Traditional Roman Catholic Mass, to ask any and all questions of the “Clergy Conference”  Catacomb Roman Catholic Priests and Bishops, who would be in attendance, that rented huge public hall would be jammed-packed with Catholics - every time, at every place, and that almost all of them remained to ask their many questions of the “Clergy Conference”  Catacomb Roman Catholic Priests and Bishops, not only during the public meeting, but also, afterwards, in private meetings!  It was really amazing - this happened every time, and in the various cities wherever the “Clergy Conferences” of the Catacomb Roman Catholic Priests and Bishops, were held!




Three Catacomb Roman Catholic Bishops Taking Questions from the Catholic Laity
After the Conclusion of a Traditional Roman Catholic Mass was publicly Offered,
As the Conclusion of a “Clergy Conference” of Catacomb Roman Catholic Priests and Bishops



Historically, most of the despicable changes of the changes have been hidden, or ignored, by the
.Satanic. Synod. Vatican.2. pseudo-church..clergy in hopes that eventually the people going to their pseudo-churches.would never know what really happened before, during, as especially after, the .apostasy, and .heresy, of the .anti-Catholic. Satanic. Synod. Vatican  2 [Thursday, October 11, 1962 - Wednesday, December 8, 1965], especially at the local church level.

We heard many complaints from the Catholic Laity that whenever they would ask one or more local .Satanic. Synod. Vatican  2. pseudo-church..priests some questions about the changes, etc., those priests  would usually either talk around in circles, or otherwise, especially when desperate, would use the.fallacy. of “false obedience”, such as “you have to obey the pope”!


You Have To Obey the PopeFallacy!


Of course this was utter nonsense because not even one of the.Satanic. Synod. Vatican  2. pseudo-church.popes, as shown in the above graphic, was, in fact, a real Roman Catholic pope!  Thus the attempt by the local .Satanic. Synod. Vatican  2. pseudo-church..priests to take advantage of the ignorance of the Catholic Laity in both this, as well as, in many other ways!

Of course all of the clergy of the .Satanic. Synod. Vatican  2. pseudo-church..had automatically .incurred the censure of automatic excommunication, not only because they were heretics and apostates, but also for their Mortal Sin of Perjury for violating their Sacred Oath called “The Oath Against Modernism” which is required to be taken by all of the Catholic Clergy!

In addition, the .Satanic. Synod. Vatican  2. pseudo-church. pseudo-priests. and.pseudo-bishops.had all been .invalidly.ordained with the new rite of paul 6 in 1968!




Therefore, the LAYMEN, who had been, and those LAYMEN today who are, ordained with the.invalid.1968 rite, are only what they had been before such an empty and.invalid. ceremony: LAYMEN!



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For the record, even such ordinations by popes since 1968 are ALL .invalid.  - NO EXCEPTIONS!

This means that all of the LAYMEN, in the above photo taken in Saint Peter's Basilica in the Vatican, who are all prostrated, expecting to be.validly.Ordained Priests, left the Vatican after that empty ceremony of nothingness, still only LAYMEN due to a number of facts, one of which is the per se .invalid. 1968 rite that was used!

Such LAYMEN, even though they incorrectly and wrongly think they are priests, and/or, bishops, actually have NO power of the Sacrament of Holy Orders to offer any.valid.Masses and Administer any.valid.Sacraments in the.anti-Catholic..Satanic..Synod Vatican 2 pseudo-church.



Therefore, today, more and more Roman-Collared LAYMEN are leaving the.anti-Catholic.Satanic. .Synod Vatican 2 pseudo-church.because such LAYMEN pseudo-priests now realize that none of them have any Spiritual and Sacramental Power to Offer Mass and to Administer the Sacraments, just as such LAYMEN pseudo-prelates (bishops of whatever rank of ecclesiastical jurisdiction), now realize that none of them, also, have any Spiritual and Sacramental Power to Offer Mass and to Administer the Sacraments of  Baptism, Penance, Holy Eucharist, Confirmation, Holy Orders, and Extreme Unction!

Roman-Collared LAYMEN also have the very real and terrible fear they will go to Hell because their fake and phony “sacraments” never had any power to prevent the Souls of their trusting Parishioners from going to Hell because these fake and phony priests and bishops have never had any Spiritual and Sacramental power to Absolve anyone from any sins, including Mortal Sins!



It’s True! I’m leaving! They lied about my “ordination”The 1968 Roman Pontifical, with which I was “ordained”, IS NOT.VALID!  So, I am only a LAYMANNOT a PriestI can no longer live this LIE of.invalid.“masses” and.invalid.“sacraments”! How many are burning in Hell because I have no power to “Offer Holy Mass”, and to “forgive Mortal Sins”!

Likewise, Roman-Collared LAYMEN, "ordained" with the 1968, or later editions of, the Roman Pontifical, who think and act as though they really are priests and bishops and popes. are NOT able to Offer a lawful and.valid.Catholic Traditional Mass as it was before 1944 in the Roman Catholic Church, nor can they Administer any Sacraments of the Roman Catholic Church for the same reason - because of the immutable law of.Lex Orandi, Lex Credendi.- which means ALL Roman - Collared LAYMEN, ordained with the 1968, or later editions of, the Roman Pontifical, ARE de facto members, NOT of the Roman Catholic Church, but of anti-Christ's .Satanic..Synod Vatican 2 pseudo-church!

This also means that many Souls of faithful, sincere, trusting, but ignorant Catholics, have gone to Hell because of the illegal and.invalid.pseudo-masses.of these Roman-Collared LAYMEN,

(which deprived the Souls of faithful, sincere, trusting, but ignorant Catholics, of Sanctifying Grace  by which  to desire to obtain Absolution for their Mortal Sins in the Roman Catholic Sacrament of Penance)
and the illegal and invalid  pseudo-sacraments of these Roman-Collared LAYMEN, such as the per se .invalid. and  illegal  rite of reconciliation found in anti-Christ's.Satanic..Synod Vatican 2 pseudo-church.

Especially sad are the Souls in Hell whose Mortal Sins were unable to be absolved in the Roman Catholic Sacrament of Penance

(N.B.:  The anti-Catholic.Satanic.Synod Vatican 2 pseudo-church.rite of reconciliation  is NOT a Sacrament, but a blatant demonic lie and deception!),
before their deaths, because such Roman-Collared LAYMEN have no Power of any kind:
1) to Offer any Masses;

2) to Administer any Sacraments, including the Roman Catholic Sacraments of Baptism and Penance.

Thus the temporary triumph of the.automatically.excommunicated.Apostates.and.Modernist Heretics, as well as the.automatically.excommunicated.Apostates.and.NEW Theology Heretics, who deliberately DESTROYED everything Catholic!

Thus was the Prophecy of Archbishop Sheen fulfilled!


The Prophecy of Archbishop Sheen


Archbishop Sheen, in effect, Prophecized the.Invalid.and Illegal Changes!




Who Are Those Partly Responsible For This Depravity?

These Guys:


A Commentary on the Three “Traditional” Catholic Groups


We, Catacomb Roman Catholics”, have also asked Patriarch Jacobus Maria DeJesus, D.D. for his assessment and evaluation of the so-called Three “Traditional” Catholic Groups.


General Introduction

Thank you Catacomb Roman Catholics”!

We begin this introduction, historically, by explaining that, in order to avoid confusion, either some well-intentioned, unknown person, or group, began to classify Roman Catholics not only as “Traditional Catholics”, but also concocted three different groups of “Traditional Catholics”, while conveniently ignoring the very obvious historical fact that those Roman Catholics who continued to go to what was now a totally different church, which was no longer the Roman Catholic Church, but instead, based upon the Law of..legem credendi lex statuit supplicandi, usually simplified to .lex orandi, lex credendi, was de facto, the .anti-Catholic. Satanic. Synod. Vatican  2. pseudo-church. of .automatically. excommunicated. Apostates. and. Modernist. Heretics, and .NEW. Theology. Heretics, as this graphic illustrates:



Said another way, those Roman Catholics who went to this .anti-Catholic. Satanic. Synod. Vatican  2. pseudo-church. of .automatically. excommunicated. Apostates. and. Modernist. Heretics, and .NEW. Theology. Heretics, were no longer Roman Catholics. and could no longer be called, or otherwise identified as, Roman Catholics.

On the contrary, this is simply the correct application of the Law of..legem credendi lex statuit supplicandi, usually simplified to .lex orandi, lex credendi.

Lest there be any misunderstandings, EVERYONE who goes to  this .anti-Catholic. Satanic. Synod. Vatican  2. pseudo-church. of .automatically. excommunicated. Apostates. and. Modernist. Heretics, and .NEW. Theology. Heretics, is NOT a Roman Catholic because the  .anti-Catholic. Satanic. Synod. Vatican  2. pseudo-church. of .automatically. excommunicated. Apostates. and. Modernist. Heretics, and .NEW. Theology. Heretics, per se, is NOT the Roman Catholic Church, as per:.lex orandi, lex credendi.

Various terms have been suggested concerning the correct name to use to identify those people who go to this fake and phony church.  Some use the term Vatican 2 Catholics, or something similar which uses the term Catholic However, this is blatantly wrong.   Why?  Because that church is NOT Catholic, as per:.lex orandi, lex credendi, and therefore, those people who go to that NOT Catholic church, are NOT Catholics!

Historically, We would remind the Reader how the people who go to the Protestant churches. are NOT called Catholics, but Protestants, even though each of those  Protestant churches. had originally been Catholic Churches.


“Traditional” Catholics - Group # 1
The  Popitis Traditional” Catholics

Part One - The Clergy


The 1968, and Later, Priests and Prelates in this church!

All of the clergy of this group # 1, which is de facto within the .Satanic. Synod. Vatican  2. pseudo-church, have all automatically .incurred the censure of automatic excommunication, not only because they are heretics and apostates, but also for their Mortal Sin of Perjury for violating their Sacred Oath called “The Oath Against Modernism” which is required to be taken by all of the Clergy!

In addition, all of the .Satanic. Synod. Vatican  2. pseudo-church. pseudo-priests, and .pseudo - bishops, were all .invalidly.ordained with the new ordination rite of 1968.  This simply means that all of them are merely LAYMEN, even though they incorrectly and wrongly think they are real  priests, and/or, bishops.  Nevertheless, none of them have the necessary actual powers of the Sacrament of Holy Orders.

Therefore, this means that none of them have any power:

1.  To offer any.valid.Masses in the.anti-Catholic..Satanic..Synod Vatican 2 pseudo-church, or anywhere else, for that matter!

2.  To Administer any/all .valid.Sacraments, in the.anti-Catholic..Satanic..Synod Vatican 2 pseudo-church, or anywhere else, for that matter!

Part Two - The Clergy and the Laity

1.  Popitis Traditional” Catholics: These poor, ignorant Catholics, who are not  Catacomb Roman Catholics,  suffer from the Spiritually deadly mental disease, known by various technical names, such as fallacies, of which they are its victims - an infectious immoral, mental, and Spiritual disease which wrongly believes that the Pope can do no wrong!

This highly infectious immoral and Spiritual disease is also a chronic mental disease, the cause of which severe infection confuses Papal Infallibility with Papal  Impeccability - the inability to commit sin!

This is ludicrous!  Saint Peter sinned because Jesus Christ never gave Pope Peter Impeccability!

Proof

56   Now all this was done, that the scriptures of the prophets might be fulfilled.  Then the disciples all leaving him, fled.
57   But they holding Jesus led him to Caiphas the high priest, where the scribes and the ancients were assembled.
58   And Peter followed him afar off, even to the court of the high priest.   And going in, he sat with the servants, that he might see the end.
59   And the chief priests and the whole council sought false witness against Jesus, that they might put him to death:
60   And they found not, whereas many false witnesses had come in.  And last of all there came two false witnesses:
61   And they said:  This man said, I am able to destroy the temple of God, and after three days to rebuild it.
62   And the high priest rising up, said to him:  Answerest thou nothing to the things which these witness against thee?
63   But Jesus held his peace.  And the high priest said to him:  I adjure thee by the living God, that thou tell us if thou be the Christ the Son of God.
64   Jesus saith to him:  Thou hast said it.  Nevertheless I say to you, hereafter you shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of the power of God, and coming in the clouds of heaven.
65   Then the high priests rent his garments, saying:  He hath blasphemed; what further need have we of witnesses?  Behold, now you have heard the blasphemy:
66   What think you?  But they answering, said:  He is guilty of death.
67   Then did they spit in his face, and buffeted him:  and others struck his face with the palms of their hands,
68   Saying:  Prophesy unto us, O Christ, who is he that struck thee?
69   But Peter sat without in the court:  and there came to him a servant maid, saying:  Thou also wast with Jesus the Galilean.
70   But he denied before them all, saying:  I know not what thou sayest.
71   And as he went out of the gate, another maid saw him, and she saith to them that were there:  This man also was with Jesus of Nazareth.
72   And again he denied with an oath, I know not the man.
73   And after a little while they came that stood by, and said to Peter:   Surely thou also art one of them; for even thy speech doth discover thee.
74   Then he began to curse and to swear that he knew not the man.  And immediately the cock crew.
75   And Peter remembered the word of Jesus which he had saidBefore the cock crow, thou wilt deny me thriceAnd going forth, he wept bitterly.  (Matthew 26:56-75.)




Fallacies

What is a fallacy?  Among other things, a fallacy is any violation of a logical principle disguised under a show or pretext of.validity.  It is also an argument which, while seemingly.valid, really violates some logical principle.  The chief synonyms for fallacy are sophism and paralogism.


A Brief Analysis

So exactly how do fallacies apply to the subtle.Heresy.of.Popitis?   We briefly consider these five examples:

1.  A “presumptive fallacy” is a fallacy which simply presumes, supposes, postulates, pretends, assumes, and presupposes that the statement is True.

The subtle.Heresy.of.Popitis.simply assumes, and presupposes, that the Pope is Impeccable  because those infected with the subtle.Heresy.of.Popitis.can not provide any proof for their heretical position.
2.  The “gratuitous expression fallacy” is a fallacy by which “anyone can say anything” and not offer any proof for what is said.
Here again, the subtle.Heresy.of.Popitis.simply assumes, and presupposes, that the Pope is Impeccable because they can not provide any proof for their heretical position.
3. The “ipse dixit fallacy” which means that “He, himself, said it.”  It is an arbitrary dogmatic statement which the speaker expects the listener to accept as being .valid.
Therefore, just because the victims.of.Popitis.say, or otherwise, by their actions, claim, that the Pope is Impeccable, does absolutely nothing to prove their heretical position.
4.  The “bare assertion fallacy”.  The most basic way to distort an issue is to deny that it exists. This fallacy claims: “That’s just how it is.”
Here the victims of the heresy.of.Popitis.say the Pope is Impeccable, because this is just the way it is!
5.  The “fait accompli fallacy” defends a proposition by bluntly asserting it as being a fait accompli - an “accomplished fact”; “a done deal”.  This distorts the argument by opting out of it entirely because the best way to distort any issue is to deny that issue.ontologically, i.e. to deny that the issue even exists - therefore, there is no issue because the issue is nonexistent!
So here, the the victims of the heresy.of.Popitis, claim that the issue of Papal.Impeccability,is not really an issue because the issue of the heresy of Papal.Impeccability.is nonexistent, the ultimus, or last, of all of the futile attempts to legitimatize the  heresy.of.Popitis.ends in the total failure of absurdity, otherwise known as the fallacy of the reductio ad absurdum, by which Scholastic Philosophy proves the absurdity to which the Heresy.of.Popitis.leads when it is carried to its ultimate logical conclusion!
Thus doth the death knell toll for the  heresy.of.Popitis, and irrefutably prove the inanity of the poor, unfortunate, victims of the  heresy.of.Popitis, which sales pitch was foisted upon them by the vicious.anti-Catholic. Satanic. Synod. Vatican  2. pseudo-church. of .automatically. excommunicated. Apostates. and. Modernist. Heretics, and .NEW. Theology. Heretics!

Therefore, We humbly call upon all Catacomb Roman Catholics to pray for the conversion of all of those who are infected with the  heresy.of.Popitis.

All of this nonsense, brought about by the subtle.Heresy.of.Popitis, reminds one of this Prophecy of Archbishop Sheen.


“Traditional” Catholics - Group # 2
The Confused Traditional” Catholics

Part One - The Clergy


The 1968, and Later, Priests and Prelates in this church!

All of the clergy of this group # 1, which is de facto within the .Satanic. Synod. Vatican  2. pseudo-church, have all automatically .incurred the censure of automatic excommunication, not only because they are heretics and apostates, but also for their Mortal Sin of Perjury for violating their Sacred Oath called “The Oath Against Modernism” which is required to be taken by all of the Clergy!

In addition, all of the .Satanic. Synod. Vatican  2. pseudo-church. pseudo-priests, and .pseudo - bishops, were all .invalidly.ordained with the new ordination rite of 1968.  This simply means that all of them are merely LAYMEN, even though they incorrectly and wrongly think they are real  priests, and/or, bishops.  Nevertheless, none of them have the necessary actual powers of the Sacrament of Holy Orders.

Therefore, this means that none of them have any power:

1.  To offer any.valid.Masses in the.anti-Catholic..Satanic..Synod Vatican 2 pseudo-church, or anywhere else, for that matter!

2.  To Administer any/all .valid.Sacraments, in the.anti-Catholic..Satanic..Synod Vatican 2 pseudo-church, or anywhere else, for that matter!

Part Two - The Clergy and the Laity

2.  This second group is very confused.  From time to time, each individual member of this group tend to vacillate, in some cases, from the errors of the “Traditional” Catholics - Group # 1, which is composed of the Popitis Traditional” Catholics, which accepts everything the pope says and does, to the opposite in not wanting to accept everything the pope says and does because the individual members of this group somehow simply feel, or know in some unknown way, that the pope is wrong in what he says and does, especially when what the pope says is very, very obviously either a blatant lie, and/or what the pope does is somehow anti-Catholic because they have a gut feeling about it, or that what the pope said or did is contrary to what they have read or studied in their Catholic catechism, and, therefore, that the pope may in fact be an anti-pope, and/or a heretic, and/or an apostate, or whatever.

Of course some members of this group will be wont to defend the pope, especially when they listen to the argument of one or more Sophists who raise the argument to defend their position by claiming that they are still Catholics, and not Protestants, or whatever, because they go to the church the Catholic pope is in!

Oh, really?  Here is a graphic which clearly proves the so-called popes. of this .anti-Catholic. Satanic. Synod. Vatican  2. pseudo-church. of .automatically. excommunicated. Apostates. and. Modernist. Heretics, and .NEW. Theology. Heretics, are NOT Roman Catholics!



Therefore, those people who claim that they are still Catholics, and not Protestants, or whatever, because they go to the church the Catholic pope is in, are the victims of wishful thinking - at best - or non compos mentis. - at worst, because the so-called popes. of this .anti-Catholic. Satanic. Synod. Vatican  2. pseudo-church. of .automatically. excommunicated. Apostates. and. Modernist. Heretics, and .NEW. Theology. Heretics, are NOT real Roman Catholics, and, therefore, are not real Roman Catholic Popes!



Thus the Prophecy of Archbishop Sheen fulfilled:



In conclusion, the term “Catholic” can never be applied to the people who go to the  .anti-Catholic. Satanic. Synod. Vatican  2. pseudo-church. of .automatically. excommunicated. Apostates. and. Modernist. Heretics, and .NEW. Theology. Heretics!


Traditional Catholics - Group # 3
The Sedevacantist Catholics

3.  The third group consists of Sedevacantist Catholics, both Clergy and Laity, who are Roman Catholics who believe that the Roman Catholic Church has not had a true, or real, Pope since the death of Pope Pius XII.

Said another way, this means that there has not been a real Roman Catholic Pope sitting on the so-called Papal Chair, a.k.a., the Chair of St. Peter since Pope Pius XII.

Thus the Latin term Sede (chair; seat), and Vacante, (empty).  So, a Papal Sede Vacante means an empty chair of the Pope; or, the Pope's Chair is empty because there is no real Pope to sit on the Pope's Chair.

In addition, The Sedevacantist Catholics  consider Synod Vatican 2 to be an illegal and.invalid. Synod which is not, in any way, a Doctrinal Council of the Roman Catholic Church.  They sometimes refer to it as the .Satanic. Synod. Vatican  2. pseudo-church.

These Sedevacantist Catholics  consist of both the real.valid.Catacomb Roman Catholic Priests and Bishops, most especially, but also, those select members of the Catacomb Roman Catholic Laity, who are also, in fact, Sedevacantists”.

It should be noted that not all real.valid.Catacomb Roman Catholic Priests and Bishops, and not all members of the Catacomb Roman Catholic Laity, are Sedevacantists” because “Sedevacantism” is a Theological Theory, and therefore has no effect on the .validity. and the liciety, of the Offering of the Traditional Roman Catholic Mass, and/or the Administration of any/all Traditional Roman Catholic Sacraments.

As a matter of fact, most of the “Sedevacantistsreal.valid.Catacomb Roman Catholic Priests and Bishops, avoid using this term, as do most “SedevacantistsCatacomb Roman Catholic Laity, simply because it is not really necessary to make it public knowledge, because it is a private matter of one's personal study, prayers, and of one's private conscience.

Therefore, once again for purposes of emphasis: Sedevacantism” is a Theological Theory, and therefore has no effect on the .validity. and the liciety, of the Offering of the Traditional Roman Catholic Mass, and/or the Administration of any/all Traditional Roman Catholic Sacraments by the
SedevacantistsCatacomb Roman Catholic Priests and Bishops.

The so-called Sedevacantist Clergy are, to the best of Our knowledge at this time, all both  real and.valid.Catacomb Roman Catholic Priests and Bishops of this arbitrary classification of group # 3, and, as a result, are, just as are all other real.valid.Catacomb Roman Catholic Priests and Bishops
who are not Sedevacantist Clergy, required to take the Sacred Oath called “The Oath Against Modernism”.

Likewise, since all of so-called Sedevacantist Clergy, are, to the best of Our knowledge at this time, all both real and.valid.Catacomb Roman Catholic Priests and Bishops of this arbitrary classification of group # 3, because they have.validly.received the Sacraments of the Holy Priesthood, and for Bishops, the Holy Episcopacy, they may function accordingly, Offering  real and.valid.Traditional Roman Catholic Masses, and also Administering real and.valid.Traditional Roman Catholic Sacraments.

Perhaps this is at least part of the reason why, it seems to Us, to be very disingenuous, most especially for certain members of the “Traditional” Catholics - Group # 1, a.k.a. The  Popitis “Traditional” Catholics, both of the clergy and laity, to cast aspersions of doubt upon, and/or to otherwise snidely suggest, and/or to somehow vaguely insinuate, that all of the “Sedevacantists”real and.valid. Catacomb Roman Catholic Priests and Bishops, are not  real and.valid.Catacomb Roman Catholic Priests and Bishops, per se.

On the contrary, this is merely an example of despicable “church politics” in which some of the  Popitis “Traditional” Catholic clergy give the impression that they are very jealous of all of the
 real and.valid.Catacomb Roman Catholic Priests and Bishops, with some Popitis “Traditional” Catholic clergy, according to what We were told, desperately accusing the real and .valid.Catacomb Roman Catholic Priests and Bishops, of somehow “stealing their parishioners”!

In other words, with some of the Popitis “Traditional” Catholic clergy, especially there is the appearance that the Popitis clergy are more concerned about loosing “money in the Sunday collections”, than in those Truths which can help to save Immortal Souls!

Therefore, some, We do not say “all”, of the so-called Popitis “Traditional” Catholic clergy, have chosen to cover their avarice with an alleged Judas-goat type of accusation against the real.valid.Catacomb Roman Catholic Priests and Bishops by using “Sedevacantism” as a canard to distract from their real issue - money!

Furthermore, We are left to wonder IF maybe it was the so-called:  “Traditional” Catholics - Group # 1, who originally came up with the totally arbitrary classification of three different types of so-called “Traditional” Catholics?

Ironically, the first two groups of these so-called “TraditionalCatholics, are not only  NOT “Traditional”, We have also proven above that these first two groups are NOT EVEN  de facto “Catholics” in virtue of, among other things, the Law of .lex orandi, lex credendi!

Finally, amidst all of this obviously pre-planned confusion, which was obviously done in order to prevent any serious objections and refutations of these three classifications,  one is left to wonder IF perhaps the so-called “Traditional” Catholics - Group # 1,, a.k.a.,  The  PopitisTraditional” Catholics, were originally set up by the  .anti-Catholic. Satanic. Synod. Vatican 2. pseudo-church. of .automatically. excommunicated. Apostates. and. Modernist. Heretics, and .NEW. Theology. Heretics?

It seems to Us that these very inaccurate, and somewhat misleading, classifications, have the so-called hoof-prints of the Devil, and what seems to Us to be very definitely of the.anti-Catholic. Satanic. Synod.Vatican 2. pseudo-church..

Bottom line:  The three original arbitrary, and less precise, terms, are herewith revised as follows.  Please note We omit the term “Traditional” Catholics  because the first two groups are not  .Traditional, and not even Catholics, as We have already explained above, because they are only mis-identified groups of the .anti-Catholic. Satanic. Synod. Vatican 2. pseudo-church. of .automatically. excommunicated. Apostates. and. Modernist. Heretics, and .NEW. Theology. Heretics.

Corrected Titles:

1.  Popitis  .anti-Catholic. Satanic. Synod. Vatican 2. pseudo-church.Followers.

2.  Confused .anti-Catholic. Satanic. Synod. Vatican 2. pseudo-church.Followers.

3.  Catacomb Sedevacantist  Roman Catholics.

4.  Catacomb Roman Catholics.

Also, to the best of Our knowledge at this time, all both  real and.valid.Catacomb Roman Catholic Priests and Bishops, use pre-Vatican 2 Missals and Rituals.  Below is a copy of Our 1943 edition of the Missale Romanum, of Our 1941 Requiem Missal - the Missae Defunctorum, and of Our 1925 Rituale Romanum, all of which We use, Pontifically.  Of course, all real.valid.Catacomb Roman Catholic Bishops function Pontifically.







Furthermore, all of the real.valid.Catacomb Roman Catholic Priests have been.validly.and legally Ordained, and Bishops,.validly.and legally Consecrated, with the Traditional Roman Catholic Pontificale Romanum.  For example, We Pontifically, of course, use the 1891 Edition of the Traditional Roman Catholic Pontificale Romanum, shown below.
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A Brief Review of a Papal Sede Vacante.

Note to the Readers:  We, the Catacomb Roman Catholics”, have also chosen the Patriarch to provide his analysis of the very involved, and theologically very technical, issue of sedevacantism.

The reason is because, more than any other real.valid.Catacomb Roman Catholic Priest and/or Bishop, his Beatitude is uniquely very well-qualified to do this insofar as he, personally, had a number of very private, personal conversations with Father Sáenz at various times and places, over a number of years, here in the U.S.A., on this very specific subject, especially since it is Father Sáenz who is primarily the teacher of a Papal Sede Vacante  (Empty [Papal] Chair), and the author of the book with the same title, the cover of which is shown below.


We thank the Catacomb Roman Catholics” for their request for Our brief review of the subject of a Papal Sede Vacante.

First:   It is true that We did have a number of very private, personal, conversations with Father Sáenz as explained above.  Father Sáenz was always very gracious, kind, patient, humble, and articulate during each of the said meetings.  We have never met anyone, before or since, who is even remotely similar to the intellectual level of Father Sáenz who had three Doctorates, each one being extremely difficult to obtain.

Second:  Based upon Our intense conversations with Father Sáenz, and also having read and studied Chapter IV, Puede un Papa caer en la herejia?, Can A Pope Fall Into Heresy?, from his well-researched book, Sede Vacante, Our conclusion is that the Traditional Catholic Theological part of the teachings of Father Joaquin Sáenz y Arriaga, S.J., PhD. (Philosophiæ Doctor - Doctor of Philosophy);  Th. D. (Doctor Theologiæ - Doctor of Theology); and J.C.D. (Juris Canonici Doctor - Doctor of Canon Law), are, without the shadow of any doubt, 100% accurate, concerning which all Traditional Catholics owe him a huge debt of gratitude!

Third:  We would be remiss if We failed to recognize the fact that Father Sáenz, as proven in part by his book entitled “The Plot Against the Church”, was also a Church Historian.  The complete text of this book is available elsewhere on the Internet.  It is well worth the trouble to find it because it fills in many so-called historical blanks for many Catholics!  We recommend all Catholics read it because this book really provides some historical background for his book entitled The New Montinian Church, and, of course, for his other well-researched book, Sede Vacante.

Nevertheless, it is physically impossible for any one person to have read EVERY book on Church History!

By the Most Holy Will and Grace of God, We have been very Blessed by the good God to have been guided to a number of books on Church History which it is obvious that Father Sáenz did not know of their existence.  The same is true for many other Roman Catholic Church Historians.

Because it would require each Reader of this web page to read at least the very important chapters on Church History in at least some of these books on Church History, which books most Roman Catholics do not know exist, in order to keep this web page as short as possible, based upon Our own areas of the study of Church History, We  provide the following conclusion.

Conclusion # 1 - Theological:  Concerning the subject of a Papal Sede Vacante, about which some authors have written in agreement with this Theological Theory, most especially Father Sáenz, but also various other authors, as We have already stated above, the  Theological Theory, as espoused by some Traditional Catholic authors, is in fact 100% .totally.valid.and true!

Conclusion # 2 - Historical:    However, within the exclusive context of Catholic Church History, per se, there is no such thing as a Papal Sede Vacante!

Why not?  We have written a very extensive, very voluminous, book on the many historical reasons for Our Conclusion # 2.  However, We can not reveal the contents of Our copyrighted book until after it has been officially published.  Thank you for your understanding.

Conclusion # 3 - Sedevacantist:Catacomb Roman Catholics who are labeled as Sedevacantists, of the three above groups, are really no different than the Catacomb Roman Catholics, except for their personal opinion on the subject of Sedevacantism, which Theology Theory has never been condemned by the Roman Catholic Church.

Originally, Catacomb Roman Catholics, who are labeled as Sedevacantists, had.valid.Priests and Prelates, and.valid.Liturgical Rites for Offering the Traditional Roman Catholic Holy Sacrifice of the Mass and for Administering the Traditional Roman Catholic Seven Sacraments, plus the unchangeable Roman Catholic Faith, as for example, that taught by the Roman Catholic Council of Trent!

However, Our contacts have lost contact with their contacts in this group.   Therefore, today We do not know their current situation concerning the unchangeable Catholic Faith, Mass, and Sacraments.  Nevertheless, We continue to hope it is today what it was originally, i.e. .valid.

God Bless You and Thank You for Reading Our Well-Researched Position!

Patriarch Jacobus Maria DeJesus, D.D.

A Few Videos, Photos, and Graphics



Traditional Roman Catholic Masses

Pope Pius XII, Pontifical Low Mass in Saint Peter's, at the Vatican
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A Few Brief Excerpts of The Roman Catholic Easter Sunday Mass in 1941


Brief Video of an Ancient Roman Rite
Traditional Catholic Solemn High Mass
The Vidi Aquam Before the Mass
(Performed on all Sundays in Paschaltide)
1 Minute, 1 Second



Brief Video of an Ancient Roman Rite
Traditional Catholic Solemn High Mass
Beginning Prayers at the Foot of the Altar
39 Seconds



Brief Video of an Ancient Roman Rite
Traditional Catholic Solemn High Mass
Parts of the Confiteor to the Incensing of
The Altar of Sacrifice and the Mass Celebrant
1 Minute, 13 Seconds



Brief Video of an Ancient Roman Rite
Traditional Catholic Solemn High Mass
Beginning of the Creed by the Mass Celebrant
11 Seconds



Brief Video of an Ancient Roman Rite
Traditional Catholic Solemn High Mass
The Consecration of the
Sacred Body of Jesus Christ
53 Seconds



Brief Video of an Ancient Roman Rite
Traditional Catholic Solemn High Mass
The Consecration of the
Most Precious Blood of Jesus Christ
57 Seconds




Brief Video of an Ancient Roman Rite
Traditional Catholic Solemn High Mass
The Deeacon and Sub-Deacon
Chant the 2nd Confiteor
Just Before the Administration of Holy Communion
3 Minutes, 21 Seconds



Brief Video of an Ancient Roman Rite
Traditional Catholic Solemn High Mass
The Celebrant of the Mass Administering
Holy Communion onto the tongue
to the Faithful who are kneeling
at the Holy Communion Rail
1 Minute, 31 Seconds



Brief Video of an Ancient Roman Rite
Traditional Catholic Solemn High Mass
The Last Gospel
57 Seconds



Laws on the Mass











The New Mass



New Mass Videos


Dancing priests During NOR mass
A Bunch of Modern-Day Judases
14 Seconds



Book of Gospels Grand Entrance for a NOR mass
8 Seconds




Hover Board Pretend priest During the NOR mass
4 Seconds


Irreverent Procession on Roller Skates as Entrance for the NOR mass
6 Seconds



NOR  Circus mass Professional Clowns
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NOR Circus mass Professional Acrobat
6 Seconds



NOR mass with Liturgical Dancers
7 Seconds


Pretend priest Beats & Abuses Children During a NOR mass
8 Seconds




NOR Circus Professional Snake Act mass
18 Seconds



NOR Circus mass Professional Dancers
7 Seconds



NOR Circus mass priest playing music
6 Seconds



NOR Table communion by priest-waiter to those Sitting for anti-communion at Circus mass
14 Seconds


Invalidly ordained Layman - A Modern-Day Judas
Warming up the Audience
With Lots of Wild Demonic Dancing.
anti-reverent, anti-sacred at the Novus Ordo Missae (NOR)
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A Few Prophecies






 






Miscellaneous Data



This was two years after his 1956 meeting of a delegation of four Anglican priests and a layman who stayed with him some ten days... the meetings were clandestine in the extreme...  (Bernard Clinton Pawley, Archdeacon of Canterbury, and Margaret Pawley, Rome and Canterbury Through Four Centuries: A Study of the Relations Between the Church of Rome and the Anglican Churches 1530-1981, London & Oxford, 1974, ISBN: 9780264661230).
 

Bernard Clinton Pawley

Margaret
Pawley






Two Different Pope Paul’s!







March 7, 1965
Automatically Excommunicated  Modernist Heretic and
Automatically Excommunicated  Apostate, pope paul 6 of the
anti-Catholic.Satanic..Synod Vatican 2 pseudo-church
First.Satanic..Synod Vatican 2 pseudo-church..non-Latin NEW mass
First anti-Catholic Satanic Novus Ordo Missae in the Vernacular
By a Clone of anti-Christ in the .Satanic..Synod Vatican 2 pseudo-church








“Stop the Council!”  “Stop the Council!”
(Pope John 23rd on his deathbed!)
Pope John 23rd on His Way To Hell???




















 






 










JP-2 Kissing anti-Catholic Koran in the Vatican




JP-2  Burning in Hell???


 



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